Yes another Winter Tire question

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Scooby Don't, Sep 15, 2003.

  1. Scooby Don't

    Scooby Don't Guest

    Looking to get All-Seasons instead of full blown winter tires this
    time around. Last year there wasn't enough snow and the snow tires get
    eaten alive by bare road. I have performance tires for the summer so
    any suggestions for decent all seasons?
    The Bridestone RE-92's that came with the car were awful in the snow
    and bad on dry pavement.
    I need a far better tire than those.
    Scooby Don't, Sep 15, 2003
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    David W Guest

    Must be just me but I never had an issue with the RE-92's in snow or in the
    dry. Live in Alberta Canada.... get lots of both...
    David W, Sep 15, 2003
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  3. Scooby Don't

    Scooby Don't Guest

    Had no control at all with the RE-92's Worst tire I have ever run on a
    car with the exception of those FireStones that let go on the highway
    back in the '70's.
    I'm thinking maybe the Kuhmo's might be better.
    The RE'92's had no grip and I'd slide right through intersections even
    at low speed due to the ABS locking up very quickly. Between the tires
    and the ABS it was long scary winter.
    Scooby Don't, Sep 15, 2003
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    WRXtreme Guest

    I will have to second that, I live in North Dakota and the RE92's were
    downright scary, I'm going to try blizzaks this year I think.
    WRXtreme, Sep 15, 2003
  5. I have Nokian Hakkaoeliitta Q on my 2.5TS. They are a bit expensive but they
    worth it
    Chicken'n Toast, Sep 15, 2003
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    Scooby Don't Guest

    From my research it looks like the Kuhmo's or the Nokian WR's might be
    a good bet. The Kuhmo's are like $53 each and rated pretty well for
    the snow almost 4 points abouve the RE-92's which are dogshit and I
    mean that literally. It's like the tire is made of it and stops about
    as well. The Nokian WR Passenger is supposed to be great on snow but
    is mediocre on dry pavement. I know the Kuhmo's are decent in the dry.
    This is the Kuhmo HP 716
    They are rated 8.7 in the dry and 8.3 in the snow.
    The RE-92's are rated 7.2 in the dry and 4.6 in the snow
    I'll call Tire Rack and see how good a tire they are in the snow.
    Tire Rack guy says the Continetal ContiExtremeContact tires are better
    than the Kuhmo's.
    I can't see anything being worse than the RE-92's. Tire Rack says
    slightly better than the RE-92.
    We'll see. :)
    Blizzaks suck big time if you want a full blown winter tire get
    Nokian. If you have a lot of snow and ice they make the Hakka Q if you
    have moderate snow and Ice they make the WR Passenger.
    We don't have enough snow for me to justify a full winter tire as i'm
    on dry highways most of the time.
    My Blizzaks didn't even last a full season on my last car and that was
    a snowy winter. The Nokians lasted 2 full seasons with maybe 2 more
    seasons but I blew 2 of the tires out on a curb.
    Scooby Don't, Sep 15, 2003
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    Scooby Don't Guest

    I had Hakka Q's before and they are great in the snow but suck in the
    dry. I need something that is more all season than winter as the
    winter tires wear fast on dry highways doing 80 mph.
    Dedicated winter tires just are too soft a compound when you need an
    all season lifespan.
    Scooby Don't, Sep 15, 2003
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    J999w Guest

    Invest in a decent car jack, then you can swap out the tires in 20 minutes and
    have the best of both worlds.

    J999w, Sep 15, 2003
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    Yousuf Khan Guest

    I have Nokian NRW's (the predecessor to the WR's) on my OBW. I can't say
    they are mediocre on the dry pavement, they are the best tires I've ever had
    on dry pavement as a matter of fact. They are decent in the snow too, but
    still you might be a little bit out of luck if you have to stop quickly in
    the snow.

    Yousuf Khan
    Yousuf Khan, Sep 15, 2003
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    S Guest

    Hi Scooby!

    No all season tire is going to be very good in bad weather; an all
    season is a compromise, and a compromise is just that. Any of the all
    season tires that I'm aware of lean more toward dry performance
    anyway. Since you have a summer tire already, I'd suggest a set of
    dedicated winter tires on inexpensive steel wheels.
    I've had very good luck with the Michelin Alpin Pilots as a do-it-all
    tire, and can heartily recommend them. The Arctic Alpin is also a very
    good choice, and probably leans a bit more toward performance on ice
    at the expense of accelerated tire wear. Both work great on dry roads,
    offering at least as much grip as the RE92s. Try TireRack for easy
    on-line comparison shopping, and awesome pricing as well.

    ByeBye! S.

    Steve Jernigan KG0MB
    Laboratory Manager
    Microelectronics Research
    University of Colorado
    (719) 262-3101
    S, Sep 15, 2003
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    Scooby Don't Guest

    I read a review that was a Canadian review on the Nokian WR's and it
    said dry performance was down considerable for summer driving.
    I'm still undecided but I have 2 weeks to decide what I want to buy.
    Scooby Don't, Sep 15, 2003
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    Yousuf Khan Guest

    I can't see that being the case for me. I do of course have the 225-series
    tires that are required for the Outback, so it's a little wider than a
    typical summer tire, so maybe that's why I'm not finding a reduction of
    summer grip.

    Yousuf Khan
    Yousuf Khan, Sep 15, 2003
  13. The toughest conditions for winter tires is snow (or ice)
    at or around freezing. I doubt you get many days in
    Alberta with those conditions (except Calgary's chinooks).
    Nearly all winter and all season tires have very little
    traction around freezing. Add some salt to the mix
    and it's even worse.

    Well below freezing with little snow depth, an all season
    works fairly well. Even a non-performance 'summer' tire
    will work well without or with a little snow. With AWD,
    you can get away with less traction in many conditions
    except when it comes to stopping.

    For people who get winter with many days at 0°C or 32°F
    and a fair amount of snow should consider some good snow tires.
    It isn't just safer, it's alot more fun.
    Dave Null Sr., Sep 16, 2003
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    Tony Hwang Guest

    I am in Alberta as well. worst in winter driving is over the black ice
    in drifting snow. Slippery with poor visibility. Both of my kids'
    Impreza is running on Michelin Arctic Alpin on steel rims. It gives
    extra safety margin for sure. All 4 vehicles in my family are AWD type.
    Winter tires in winter is better for safer driving. When it is real
    slippery even tanks lose traction. Common sense prevails. Adjust your
    speed to the road condition whether road is dry or treacherous. This is
    no brainer.
    Tony Hwang, Sep 16, 2003
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    Ed Rachner Guest

    Ed Rachner, Sep 16, 2003
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    Scooby Don't Guest

    Right, but the problem is the damn winter tires wear out very quickly.
    I do a significant amount of highway driving and the winter tires
    can't hold up. After a good salting the roads are clear in a couple of
    days. This is why I'm steering away from winter tires this year.
    RE-92's are so awful that I nearly got killed several times combined
    with the hyperactive ABS.
    Ah decisions, decisions. :)
    Scooby Don't, Sep 16, 2003
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    Scooby Don't Guest

    Well that was what one article said regarding the Nokian tires in the
    summer. Of course it depends on what you run in the summer. I've been
    running S03 Pole Positions. They grip like glue.
    The only thing most people agree on is All-Seasons, aren't.
    Scooby Don't, Sep 16, 2003
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    Tony Hwang Guest

    I am afraid then you're speeding for the road condition.
    It's not hyperactive ABS which was doing it's job. The road was slippery
    and tire was not helping either in your case. Considerable amount of
    highway driving, nealy got killed, winter tires wear out very quickly,
    sounds like contradiction to me. I'd choose good tires for my life.
    I don't care how fast it wears.
    Tony Hwang, Sep 16, 2003
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    Scooby Don't Guest

    Nope it sure wasn't speed. granted on dry highway I sure keep up with
    traffic but I slid through intersections at like 2mph car would be all
    but stopped and the damn ABS would go off and the car would slide. If
    you live in a city with a lot of hills you don't drive fast. But that
    Damn ABS goes off over nothing at all even in the dry. I've hit a few
    bumps and it's gone off while slowing down and ended up going past
    stop signs. The ABS in the WRX is the worst I have ever seen in any
    vehicle I've owned. Dealer says it's normal. Well I really like the
    WRX it's powerful enough and big enough taht I'm covered but the damn
    ABS is so awful that I probably won't buy another one unless they
    reduce it's oversensitivity.
    On the highway I rarely speed in the bad stuff I just get out there
    and keep up with everyone else who's going 20mph. I'm hoping better
    tires will help. The biggest problem is just before i stop on snow the
    ABS kicks in at the last second and it doesn't shut off real quick
    either. Sometimes it stays on even after I'm back and accelerating
    Scooby Don't, Sep 16, 2003
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    Diva Guest

    Man! Where do YOU live where you can get on the highway in the snow and
    people are driving 20 mph???? Around here you could die in the snow from the
    jackasses that don't know you shouldn't go 70 mph on it. I often see them
    off the road further down the pike after they've passed me because I'm
    driving a safe speed and they aren't. I think I'm going to check into the
    Hakka Q's. What is the difference between the Q's and WS tires from Nokian?

    Diva, Sep 16, 2003
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