"subaru knock" 97 Outback

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laura or brian

Hi- I just looked at a '97 Outback with 173,000 miles that I'm thinking
of buying. Head gasket was replaced at 120,000. The engine has a
pronounced knock - doesn't sound like piston noise, but rather two
blocks of wood hitting each other. The owner described this as "that
Subaru knock" and nothing to be concerned about. I'm new to Subarus -
does this sound right to anyone, or should we avoid this car?

Thanks, Laura
 
Hi- I just looked at a '97 Outback with 173,000 miles that I'm thinking
of buying.  Head gasket was replaced at 120,000.  The engine has a
pronounced knock - doesn't sound like piston noise, but rather two
blocks of wood hitting each other.  The owner described this as "that
Subaru knock" and nothing to be concerned about.  I'm new to Subarus -
does this sound right to anyone, or should we avoid this car?

Thanks, Laura

If a mechanic familiar with Subarus said it was 'classic' piston slap
noise - then I might consider it.
If you do have a mechanic examine the car - have him also check for
exhaust gasses in the radiator and check for 'torque bind' in the
transmission.

good luck

Carl
 
If the timing belt was flopping around because that hydraulic
tensioner was failing, I wonder what it would sound like? As for
buying this car, can't recommend it. Paying someone to work on a car
can get very expensive.
 
If the timing belt was flopping around because that hydraulic
tensioner was failing, I wonder what it would sound like? As for
buying this car, can't recommend it. Paying someone to work on a car
can get very expensive.

Unless it's real cheap like $200 and the OP can get 12,000 miles out of it.

A car like that I'd run till it blows. Sometimes I have run $200 for
40-50,000 miles...
 
Unless it's real cheap like $200 and the OP can get 12,000 miles out of it.

A car like that I'd run till it blows. Sometimes I have run $200 for
40-50,000 miles...

Subaru piston slap (knock) will diminish as the car warms up, so if
the noise is constant I would be very leery of this car. Could be
something in the timing belt area- have this car inspected by a good
subaru shop.
 
Hi Laura!

Hi- I just looked at a '97 Outback with 173,000 miles that I'm thinking
of buying. Head gasket was replaced at 120,000. The engine has a
pronounced knock - doesn't sound like piston noise, but rather two
blocks of wood hitting each other. The owner described this as "that
Subaru knock" and nothing to be concerned about. I'm new to Subarus -
does this sound right to anyone, or should we avoid this car?

Thanks, Laura

As someone else mentioned, unless the car is real inexpensive, and/or
you are capable of performing engine work yourself, I'd pass on it;
there are plenty of good ones out there. A slight tic-tic-tic from a
cold engine is fairly typical, and this should go away as the engine
warms to operating temperature. A knocking sound is nearly always a
bad sign.

I'll give you a real world example:
I have a '99 Forry that I purchased last year for the princely sum of
$2500. It had an issue similar to what you are describing, a
pronounced knock in the engine block. The previous owners' mechanic
had diagnosed a failing rod bearing (basically the engine is history
at this point), and after a careful listen with a stethoscope, I had
to agree. The car was in great condition otherwise, with only 107K
miles.

Since I _had_ a perfectly good EJ22 Legacy motor sitting in the
garage, I figured to graft this engine into the Forry, and went ahead
with the deal.

As it turned out, the knocking noise was coming from one of the timing
belt pulleys (the cogged one FWIW), the bearing had disintegrated, and
the bearing shell was hammering against the inner race as the timing
belt turned. Simply amazing that it didn't toss the belt, but there
you have it; a perfectly good Forester for $2500, plus about $300 for
timing belt parts, fresh waterpump, new hoses and such, and a weekend
to install everything.

If the same job had gone to a shop, the cost would probably have been
a grand or more; still a pretty good deal for the car, but you get the
picture.

I will add a comment for those of you who might be interested:
When I serviced the timing belt on my wifes' '02 Forester at about
120K (yea, yea, I know; the book sez 105K. sue me ;-), that same
cogged pulley was failing, and the rest of them were marginal at best.
Do keep an eye on those idlers, folks; they work hard for their money
and are easily overlooked during a timing belt job. Unless they are
absolutely perfect, I'd highly advise installing new ones along with
the timing belt; cheap insurance in my book.

ByeBye! S.

Steve Jernigan KG0MB
Laboratory Manager
Microelectronics Research
University of Colorado
(719) 262-3101
 
laura or brian said:
Hi- I just looked at a '97 Outback with 173,000 miles that I'm thinking of
buying. Head gasket was replaced at 120,000. The engine has a pronounced
knock - doesn't sound like piston noise, but rather two blocks of wood
hitting each other. The owner described this as "that Subaru knock" and
nothing to be concerned about. I'm new to Subarus - does this sound right
to anyone, or should we avoid this car?

Thanks, Laura

I have a '97 Outback and it does not make this noise, so it's definitely not
normal. However, as others have said, if the car is cheap enough, and the
body is sound, it might be worth it. Personally, if this is meant to be
sound transportation, or is your only car, I'd pass on it. Outbacks in
those years are not expensive, still look good and you can probably find one
in better shape for under $5000 -- a hell of a bargain when compared to new
car payments.

Good luck.
 

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