I'm Tired Of These Ungrateful Hurricane Victims

[jabario]

All those losers whining about "where's the government?", "We got
nothing" "they leaving us here to die" and such are starting to really
piss me off. Our society has created a whole population of people who
rely on the government for all needs- housing, food, medical care.
That are unable to fend for themselves in any way hurricane or not.
Now they must really be suffering, almost like a domestic pet that
suddenly finds itself living in the wild.
First of all you live in an area BELOW sea level-not smart. Then its an
area that is subject to hurricanes and storms. Then word of an
impending hurricane comes out and you do not stock up and prepare. Why?
Because you have no responsibility for your own life. The gov't has
always taken care of you even when you refused to stay in school and
get a job. They support you after popping out numerous out-of-wedlock
babies. They take care of you in prison when you refuse to follow
society's rules. Adversity is when the American Spirit rises to the
top. Unfortunately you still choose to take by looting and causing
further damage to your countrymen. I just had to rant.

 

[araby]

All those losers whining about "where's the government?", "We got
nothing" "they leaving us here to die" and such are starting to really
piss me off. Our society has created a whole population of people who
rely on the government for all needs- housing, food, medical care.
That are unable to fend for themselves in any way hurricane or not.
Now they must really be suffering, almost like a domestic pet that
suddenly finds itself living in the wild.
First of all you live in an area BELOW sea level-not smart. Then its an
area that is subject to hurricanes and storms. Then word of an
impending hurricane comes out and you do not stock up and prepare. Why?
Because you have no responsibility for your own life. The gov't has
always taken care of you even when you refused to stay in school and
get a job. They support you after popping out numerous out-of-wedlock
babies. They take care of you in prison when you refuse to follow
society's rules. Adversity is when the American Spirit rises to the
top. Unfortunately you still choose to take by looting and causing
further damage to your countrymen. I just had to rant.

How very Christian!!

 

[appkiller]

<snippage of jaba the hut's rantings>

Ya know, they were working to create a much more storm surge/flood-safe
New Orleans until Bushco cut the funding for it.


To araby:

In some contexts, yes, his comments were VERY "Christian".

App

 

[garciyalater]

nah....if he were christian he would try to convert the people, and if
they couldnt be coverted he would bomb the hell out of em till they
were all dead.....then the few survivors, would be forced to form a new
"democratic: government.....

Chuck

 

[Remco]

All those losers whining about "where's the government?", "We got
nothing" "they leaving us here to die" and such are starting to really
piss me off. Our society has created a whole population of people who
rely on the government for all needs- housing, food, medical care.
That are unable to fend for themselves in any way hurricane or not.
Now they must really be suffering, almost like a domestic pet that
suddenly finds itself living in the wild.
First of all you live in an area BELOW sea level-not smart. Then its an
area that is subject to hurricanes and storms. Then word of an
impending hurricane comes out and you do not stock up and prepare. Why?
Because you have no responsibility for your own life. The gov't has
always taken care of you even when you refused to stay in school and
get a job. They support you after popping out numerous out-of-wedlock
babies. They take care of you in prison when you refuse to follow
society's rules. Adversity is when the American Spirit rises to the
top. Unfortunately you still choose to take by looting and causing
further damage to your countrymen. I just had to rant.

Well, stop it because no one cares - I also didn't realize they made
horses that high..

Who is the 'you' you are talking to, btw? If you are talking to the
people that are doing this looting, you are wasting your breath.
Remember, they don't even have food, fuel or electricity - let alone an
internet connection. You must actually believe what you see on Fox news
- not everyone there is a looter, dumbass!
Oh, I got what your problem is just now: You must have your white
pointy pillow cover on backwards so can't see what's going on, asshat!

 

[Jeff Starr]

I just had to rant.

No, you just had to troll.

What you have accomplished, is showing everyone what a heartless piece
of human garbage, you really are.

 

[TomCAt]

RIGHT ON BROTHER....

 

[Leo Lichtman]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No, you didn't.

 

[Tanker]

UHM, I don't get the Fox News correlation.......you'll have to update me on
that...


Tanker

 

[Derek Lyons]

<snippage of jaba the hut's rantings>

Ya know, they were working to create a much more storm surge/flood-safe
New Orleans until Bushco cut the funding for it.

The cut was in the 2005 budget - I.E. what was cut was extremely
unlikely to have caused a gallons difference this week. Levee and
pumping station and canal construction takes years, if not decades.

You also fail to mention the billions spent over the past century -
without which the large portions of the metro area that are intact
wouldn't be there.

We now end our contributions of actual facts and return you to your
rants.

D.

 

[Scott]

The cut was in the 2005 budget - I.E. what was cut was extremely
unlikely to have caused a gallons difference this week. Levee and
pumping station and canal construction takes years, if not decades.

I'm not sure which cut is being discussed. However, ACoE
cuts have been ongoing . . . See, for example

<http://orig.clarionledger.com/news/0203/07/m05.html>

Levee pumping stations and canal construction require
ongoing maintenance, especially when the underlying lands
are sinking. Underfunding of this particular project
is well-known.

Would it have made a difference? No one knows. Certainly
the drying up of $$s was followed by a massive breach.

Scott

 

[appkiller]

JDL authoritatively asserted:

The cut was in the 2005 budget - I.E. what was cut was extremely
unlikely to have caused a gallons difference this week. Levee and
pumping station and canal construction takes years, if not decades.

So, do you think those funds will be reinstated?

App

 

[The Wogster]

I'm not sure which cut is being discussed. However, ACoE
cuts have been ongoing . . . See, for example

<http://orig.clarionledger.com/news/0203/07/m05.html>

Levee pumping stations and canal construction require
ongoing maintenance, especially when the underlying lands
are sinking. Underfunding of this particular project
is well-known.

Would it have made a difference? No one knows. Certainly
the drying up of $$s was followed by a massive breach.

What is well known is that you have a city, that is between a lake and
the ocean, and is in a potential hurricane zone, and is below both the
ocean and lake water levels. This may be a dumb question, but didn't
anybody think that at some point this might cause a problem?

Perhaps the best solution is to knock everything down, add in the rubble
from surrounding areas (like Biloxi), then add clean fill until the
ground is about level with the top of the levee, then build a new city
on-top of the now raised ground level.

W

 

[Mike Kruger]

What is well known is that you have a city, that is between a lake and
the ocean, and is in a potential hurricane zone, and is below both the
ocean and lake water levels. This may be a dumb question, but didn't
anybody think that at some point this might cause a problem?

Yeah, it's old news. John McPhee wrote a book about it (really, about the
hydrology of the lower Mississippi in general). Evidently, Men's Health
magazine has a brief article about it in this/last month's issue.

If you want to vote in an unscientific poll, try
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/
What should be done with New Orleans?
a.. Fix the levees, pump the city out, clean it up and build it back right
where it was.
b.. Allow it to remain the swampland that nature intends and spend all
that money to re-build elsewhere.
At last count, it's 21% fix, 79% swamp. But these aren't people in the
affected area, but mostly people located several hundred miles away who are
sick and tired of hearing other people wonder how they can stand the Chicago
winter.

But as with most questions, the New Orleans question is not that simple. New
Orleans evolved there over the last 400 years (just as it evolved to being
below sea level -- it obviously didn't start there as a sort of Instant
Atlantis). There are a lot of business and economic reasons to have a city
in/near that spot that aren't obsolete. Does New Orleans make any less
sense than boom cities in the West, where they don't have ENOUGH water?

Perhaps the best solution is to knock everything down, add in the rubble
from surrounding areas (like Biloxi), then add clean fill until the ground
is about level with the top of the levee, then build a new city on-top of
the now raised ground level.

A somewhat similar thing was done to Chicago. The city was raised to ease
flooding and disease. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago
"Early Chicago was also plagued by sewer and water problems. Many people
described it as the filthiest city in America. To solve the problems, the
city initiated the creation of a massive sewer system. In the first phase
sewage pipes were laid across the city above-ground, with gravity moving the
waste. The second phase, executed in 1855, involved raising the level of the
city by four to seven feet (one to two meters); this was done by jacking up
buildings and placing fill in order to raise streets above the swamp and the
newly-laid sewer pipes.
By 1857 Chicago was the largest city in what was then known as the
Northwest. ... over 90,000 people."
To solve more disease/drainage/navigation problems, four rivers (Grand
Calumet, Stony Creek, Chicago, and Little Calumet; see
http://pages.ripco.net/~jwn/chicago.html ) had their flow reversed. This
probably won't work for the Mississippi

The general point I'm trying to make here is that proper engineering is a
wonderful thing, and if there is a good enough economic reason to have a
port city near where a gigantic river system draining half a continent meets
the second largest ocean in the world, we possess the engineering to allow
this.

If humanity had a pattern of abandoning cities after natural and
man-inflicted disasters, how many would we have lost? Chicago for sure (1871
fire), San Francisco after the earthquake, London after the plague, large
portions of the Netherlands, etc. It doesn't generally make economic sense
to do things like this, and we usually don't do it. For sure, though, it
makes sense to learn from the past and better engineer the future.

 

[H]

Talk to the dutch, they've figured it out.

 

[Bill H.]

The biggest thing I don't understand is why people would stay in town
when a hurricane is coming. Most people have no idea how dangerous
these things can be.

I cleaned up my sister's house in Navarre, FL after Hurricane Ivan and
a huge tree had been ripped out of her back yard and fell over. She
stayed at home and it could very well have landed on her house and
killed her and her daughter. I just don't understand why people
wouldn't leave. Some people may be poor, of course, and don't have a
car or can't get their family out, but a lot more people stayed in the
area than should have.

As for the looters - well, some of them are stealing food and diapers
and whatnot from the grocery stores to survive. Hopefully, most of the
businesses have insurance to cover their losses, and aren't going to
the inventory.

And yes, some looters are robbing jewelry stores, but since I'm not
there I can't say what percentage of looting is "justified". If I were
stuck there and starving, yeah, I'd break into a store for food and
water and so would anyone, I bet.

 

[E.k.R.]

And yes, some looters are robbing jewelry stores, but since I'm not
there I can't say what percentage of looting is "justified". If I were
stuck there and starving, yeah, I'd break into a store for food and
water and so would anyone, I bet.

I agree with looting for basic survival since it seems our governments
response has not been swift enough. But looting for computers, TV's,
jewelry, etc. is a different story. I like one store sign in NOLA I saw on
the internet ... it reads "you loot, I shoot".

Ernie

 

[TheBaseBallBravesMan]

WHAT HAPPENED TO KILLFILE?

 

[Barbara]

Yes, it appears many of the people who did not evacuate were the poor.
Or maybe people who couldn't get gas. I heard the lines at the gas
stations were terrible. Do you always keep your car with a full tank?

Since the city issued an evacuation order why didn't they fill up all
their buses and get people out of town? I saw a shot on TV showing
dozens of school buses in a parking lot under water. Why weren't they
put to good use?

I think the city needs a better evacuation plan. You can't expect
everyone to get out on their own when they are poor, elderly or disabled.

 

[nothermark]

If he didn't another one of us would.

What I don't understand is why a local problem deserves Federal
dollars to maintain an otherwise unmaintainable lifestyle. Blow the
leveees and put up a monument.


FWIW when the Democrats ran things they also cut the budget. The
Greenies often point out that the problem is the work done by the
Corps of Engineers and their meddling with Mother Nature. The flood
control measuers and channeling of the Mississipi are why the delta is
disapearing. The problem is way too complex to be fixed by anything
that fits into a soundbite newscast.