I'm Tired Of These Ungrateful Hurricane Victims

[jabario]

When a storm is coming my tank is filled. Who's talking about leaving?
There are plenty of dry areas for people to loot from. What if they
werent so used to being kept as pets by our government and knew to have
emergency supplies on hand. A water purifier is only $50 or so- bleach
is really cheap as are containers to fill with fresh water. Mres are
widely available as emergency food. There is no reason for every home
not to have a week's worth of supplies on hand. I'm most angered by
the fact that everyone is begging and blaming the government for help.
I was raised to believe that I must take primary responsibility for the
well being of my family. I must provide food water etc. Not DC not the
governor.
The main reason for hardship it that the poor are so used to getting
handouts they have lost their edge.

 

[Derek Lyons]

The biggest thing I don't understand is why people would stay in town
when a hurricane is coming. Most people have no idea how dangerous
these things can be.

There's a certian percentage of people who *can't* leave town (for a
variety of reasons).

Can *you* drop your job - this very instant - and flee from where you
are?

D.

 

[Jimmy]

All those losers whining about "where's the government?", "We got
nothing" "they leaving us here to die" and such are starting to really
piss me off. Our society has created a whole population of people who
rely on the government for all needs- housing, food, medical care.
That are unable to fend for themselves in any way hurricane or not.
Now they must really be suffering, almost like a domestic pet that
suddenly finds itself living in the wild.
First of all you live in an area BELOW sea level-not smart. Then its
an area that is subject to hurricanes and storms. Then word of an
impending hurricane comes out and you do not stock up and prepare.
Why? Because you have no responsibility for your own life. The gov't
has always taken care of you even when you refused to stay in school
and get a job. They support you after popping out numerous
out-of-wedlock babies. They take care of you in prison when you
refuse to follow society's rules. Adversity is when the American
Spirit rises to the top. Unfortunately you still choose to take by
looting and causing further damage to your countrymen. I just had to
rant.

We can make a big deal about the helpless around the world maybe a few of
the helpless feel some of it should stay home too. The word compassion comes
to mind. Are the poor standing in food lines in the winter also expecting
something for free and should fend for themselves? We can liberate a country
against the will of the majority killing thousands in the process and you
come to a vacation spot to piss and moan about a tragedy still unfolding
makes we wonder about a few things myself.

 

[Jimmy]

The biggest thing I don't understand is why people would stay in town
when a hurricane is coming. Most people have no idea how dangerous
these things can be.

I can think of several instances where one may not care to leave to points
unknown leaving their meager life behind. I was in Jamaica when Ivan hit and
no one on the whole island had anywhere to go including my wife and I. I can
show you before and after photos and video that be less spectacular than FOX
TV but just as meaningful. These people deal with losing everything on a
calendar schedule.

 

[Jimmy]

When a storm is coming my tank is filled. Who's talking about
leaving? There are plenty of dry areas for people to loot from. What
if they werent so used to being kept as pets by our government and
knew to have emergency supplies on hand. A water purifier is only
$50 or so- bleach is really cheap as are containers to fill with
fresh water. Mres are widely available as emergency food. There is no
reason for every home not to have a week's worth of supplies on hand.
I'm most angered by the fact that everyone is begging and blaming the
government for help. I was raised to believe that I must take primary
responsibility for the well being of my family. I must provide food
water etc. Not DC not the governor.
The main reason for hardship it that the poor are so used to getting
handouts they have lost their edge.

I find it hard to criticize the poor for their behavior not having been
there myself. Decades of poverty results in an unpredictable outcome. What
you mention takes group planning and a failure of society in general. But
then isn't poverty also a failure?

 

[jabario]

The results of poverty are entirely predictable. Crime, laziness, drug
abuse, out of wedlock mating, looting,and the inability to take care of
oneself. Poverty is only an individual failure not a society's. If
some can succeed all can unless those who fail are poorly bred and
reared.
you mention takes group planning and a failure of society in general.
But
then isn't poverty also a failure? <<

 

[Jimmy]

The results of poverty are entirely predictable. Crime, laziness, drug
abuse, out of wedlock mating, looting,and the inability to take care
of oneself. Poverty is only an individual failure not a society's. If
some can succeed all can unless those who fail are poorly bred and
reared.

Yes. Reared. I agree here. I believe it is a fundamental failure in society
as a whole at the level of education. Poverty is not a condition of choice
or simply bad behavior. Many people in this world just do not have the
capability to maintain a normal lifestyle for various reasons not the least
being mental health. Many to me seem poor in more ways than the ability to
help themselves.

 

[H]

Looting is just a natural response to enequality and poverty. When one sees
wealth and rampant consumerism all around, whether on billboards, TV, news
or others it is only natural to "want" the same. Consumption is encouraged
in the western world, our whole society and economy is dependent on it.
Looks like the Madison Avenue people have done their job, sometimes when the
controls come off (as in this disaster) people are going to go in and "get
me some".

 

[Robert Uhl]

The biggest thing I don't understand is why people would stay in town
when a hurricane is coming.

Most of the folks in the pictures seem to be extremely poor--there's a
good chance that many of them had no way to get out of the city. Some
might not have even known that there was a large hurricane coming (if
they didn't have TVs or radio). It's very unfortunate.

Maybe some were cyclists who've given up cars and couldn't pedal fast
enough...

 

[frkrygow]

If
some can succeed all can unless those who fail are poorly bred and
reared.

Hmm. "If some can succeed all can"? You don't seem to make much
allowance for simple bad luck - including the bad luck to be born into
a poor family, or be born with a low IQ, or be born in a place where
there are few educational opportunities.

I know there are some people who overcome these, and other, handicaps.
But it's not surprising that many people don't.

I don't condone looting. But I also don't condone lack of charity, nor
lack of empathy.

- Frank Krygowski

 

[nothermark]

Most of the folks in the pictures seem to be extremely poor--there's a
good chance that many of them had no way to get out of the city. Some
might not have even known that there was a large hurricane coming (if
they didn't have TVs or radio). It's very unfortunate.

Maybe some were cyclists who've given up cars and couldn't pedal fast
enough...

around here cable TV is considered a necessity by welfare.

 

[Mike Kruger]

Looting is just a natural response to enequality and poverty. When one
sees wealth and rampant consumerism all around, whether on billboards, TV,
news or others it is only natural to "want" the same. Consumption is
encouraged in the western world, our whole society and economy is
dependent on it.
Looks like the Madison Avenue people have done their job, sometimes when
the controls come off (as in this disaster) people are going to go in and
"get me some".

Rationalization.

 

[Tanker]

5% stayed.......they said in any other instance it would have been
60-70%....


Tanker

 

[Bob the Cow]

The cut was in the 2005 budget - I.E. what was cut was extremely
unlikely to have caused a gallons difference this week. Levee and
pumping station and canal construction takes years, if not decades.

You also fail to mention the billions spent over the past century -
without which the large portions of the metro area that are intact
wouldn't be there.

We now end our contributions of actual facts and return you to your
rants.

The other thing to consider is the magnitude of the disaster itself.
Imagine a 27-foot (8+ meters) wall of water inundating whatever whiz-bang
high-tech pumping station and levee the gummint could have built.

It would be like a bear getting your picnic basket and you having bratwurst
in the basket instead of weenies.

It would have added a bit of interest to the wreckage, that's all. And if
Bush had approved it, and the hurricane come a year later after the stuff
was all installed, the Bush-haters would have vilified him for wasting all
the gummint's money on the whiz-bang high-tech pumping stations. Even if
Halliburton hadn't installed them.

 

[SMS]

<snippage of jaba the hut's rantings>

Ya know, they were working to create a much more storm surge/flood-safe
New Orleans until Bushco cut the funding for it.

Very true. They just mentioned that today. In 2001, he cut the funding
for the Army Corps of Engineers work on protecting New Orleans. You reap
what you sow.

 

[The Wogster]

The biggest thing I don't understand is why people would stay in town
when a hurricane is coming. Most people have no idea how dangerous
these things can be.

I cleaned up my sister's house in Navarre, FL after Hurricane Ivan and
a huge tree had been ripped out of her back yard and fell over. She
stayed at home and it could very well have landed on her house and
killed her and her daughter. I just don't understand why people
wouldn't leave. Some people may be poor, of course, and don't have a
car or can't get their family out, but a lot more people stayed in the
area than should have.

Not having a car, is no reason why the city could not get people out,
they probably did not have sufficient disaster planning, and the people
who should have been in charge were the first to leave.

Here are some examples, transit buses, load them up and move them out,
even if it means stuffing people in, you can get over 100 people in a
city bus, especially if you limit what they can carry. Between city
transit buses school board buses, and commercial operators, they should
have had sufficient vehicles to clear everyone out.

Local army and police units could have been utilized to co-ordinate the
evacuation.

Bad planning, and worst execution resulted in many needless deaths.

W

 

[r15757]

... Federal
dollars to maintain an otherwise

unmaintainable lifestyle.

Dumbass, that describes all of America.

 

[frkrygow]

And if
Bush had approved it, and the hurricane come a year later after the stuff
was all installed, the Bush-haters would have vilified him for wasting all
the gummint's money on the whiz-bang high-tech pumping stations. Even if
Halliburton hadn't installed them.

As if there would be a chance Halliburton wouldn't get the job!

- Frank Krygowski

 

[me]

How very Christian!!

Who cares about Christian. It's TRUE!

 

[me]

How very Christian!!

One more thing: If I remember correctly, the Christian principle is to
be responsible for ones own actions. After all, noone else is punished
for YOUR sins.