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glasceus
i am thankful to the lord i was able to sell this car, especially after
all the stuff i read.
all the stuff i read.
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BobN
glasceus said:
I hope you bought a different brand so you can annoy their board with all
your whining.
J
jerryeveretts
glasceus said:
So I guess you won't be around anymore? too bad, I was enjoying your
post.
"First I bought a car, then the headgasket blew. So I decided to put
cruise control in it, damn, that didn't fix the headgasket, so I
decided to get laid in it... Damn, that didn't fix it either, so I sold
it. I guess the saga ends. too bad, it was quite entertaining.
I. P. Freeley
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Remco
BobN said:
Right?
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!
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glasceus
wow. why do people defend such a crappy car? i thought u guys would be
happy for me that i was able to unload this piece of junk? why cant u
guys just be happy for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
happy for me that i was able to unload this piece of junk? why cant u
guys just be happy for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
J
Jim Stewart
glasceus said:
Don't feed the troll.
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Rick Courtright
glasceus said:
Hey, I'm happy! Maybe your Forester will find a better family to live
with... and you should be happy you didn't wake Dr. Rasty.
Rick
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glasceus
thanks rick, got knows i put a lot of effort and heart into keep ing
this car. but when it came down to it i had no choice but to pull the
plug. it started with the windshield and ended with air in the coolant.
i have never had a car give me such headaches in such a short time (i
owned it for just over a month) . by the time i sold it the coolant in
the overflow bottle was near the top when the engine was cold!!! can u
say major air in the system? man i wish the new owners luck. maybe they
have the 2 grand to through at the gasket.
this car. but when it came down to it i had no choice but to pull the
plug. it started with the windshield and ended with air in the coolant.
i have never had a car give me such headaches in such a short time (i
owned it for just over a month) . by the time i sold it the coolant in
the overflow bottle was near the top when the engine was cold!!! can u
say major air in the system? man i wish the new owners luck. maybe they
have the 2 grand to through at the gasket.
M
Mortimer Schnurd
I am happy for you! This means you wont have to endure.......glasceus said:
Cold weather fuel leaks
Too small alternator for the job
Blown head gaskets
Oil leaking from divertor/control valve
Blown Headgaskets.
Coolant leaks and "magic" juice to add to the radiator
A/C that can't keep up in the summertime
Blown Headgaskets
Lots of weird electrical problems
Cheap paint that chips/flakes even when the car is parked.
Water leaks
Did I mention BLOWN HEADGASKETS?
Expen$ive replacement parts
Poor customer service and rip offs by the dealers
"Special" shaped radios that you cant replace with a standard "DIN" chassis.
What did you replace this road-apple of a car with?
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glasceus
what did i replace it with? nothing as of yet. i'm driving a old toyota
right now. its definitely gonna be toyota or honda though. thanks for
the support man. i did some research before i bought this car and found
a couple good reviews. but after i bought it and started going to
message boards i found all the horror stories.
wanna hear something funny? the person who bought it off me said they
went on the net and read nothing but "good things" about this model.
when they then this i just smiled and kept my mouth shut. sigh, what a
relief. its gone. thanks for the support again
ps. i did pick up one chick in it, but never got laid.
right now. its definitely gonna be toyota or honda though. thanks for
the support man. i did some research before i bought this car and found
a couple good reviews. but after i bought it and started going to
message boards i found all the horror stories.
wanna hear something funny? the person who bought it off me said they
went on the net and read nothing but "good things" about this model.
when they then this i just smiled and kept my mouth shut. sigh, what a
relief. its gone. thanks for the support again
ps. i did pick up one chick in it, but never got laid.
B
Backfire Bob
Stay with Honda or Toyota for bulletproof reliability. Neither of these twoglasceus said:
Auto manufactures have had as much bad
poor/crappy design as Subaru.
Who the hell wants to have to add "stop leak" to an engine to make up for
shitty design?
Replace head gaskets on a car with less than 90,000 miles? Piece of junk.
Fuel leaks when its cold? WTF!!! use some decent fuel fittings, how much can
that add to the cost of the vehicle?
Tranny slips when cold? Funny...none of my other cars did that, But Subaru
thinks that's "Normal"?
Clutch STINKS when in reverse (NEW CAR).None of my 7 Hondas,3 Toyotas,
Dodge,Chevy or Fords
smelled like they were catching fire when they had 200 miles on them.(We all
know about cosmoline)
Air Conditioning quits working at stoplights? If Subaru would pull their
heads out of their asses they might realize that a
35 Amp alternator WONT CUT IT. Subaru you cheap ass shitbags!.
Engines burn out O2 sensors.....Subaru..put them farther down the exhaust
manifold you dipshits! they last longer when the
exhaust flame is not on them.(like other cars)
Windows that leak and whistle.....once again....cheap ass twits at
Subaru...built with a dollar sign in mind. Other Japanese cars
don't do this, even my OLD 40 year old Chrysler NO POST doesn't have wind
noise, leak and whistle!
Subaru! wake the **** up! design the god damn dash/console to accept
STANDARD radio sizes. What the **** are you thinking?
If Subaru designed their cars any cheaper, they would be from Korea.
Paint.....<sigh> where did you get this shit Subaru? it's flaky, it doesn't
"give". people don't expect Imron..but a god damn wagon
from WAL*MART has better paint.
Sheet metal.....Subaru...can you possibly make it any thinner? You can ding
the hood with your thumbnail. Even bug splats
**** up the paint and sheetmetal. TRY to use sheetmetal a little thicker
than a fucking NASCAR racer?
Fast? yeah...the power to weight ratio is good. is the car a good
investment?? NO FUCKING WAY. It's reliable life is short.
It's a playtoy.WRX's and dragsters might be fast, but neither is going to
get you to work or other places on a regular basis.Maintenance
is high on Subaru's.
Subaru is right "there" with Triumph, MG,Fiat, Fun to drive if you can keep
it running.
CONGRATS on dumping that turd! I am sure Honda or Toyota has something that
will fit the needs of your daily requirements, provide
more than 100,000 miles without blowing up or spending a lot of time at the
dealer.Honda/Toyota do not require "Stop Leak" in their
cooling systems, have GOOD A/C don't leak/whistle.Even their paint looks
good after 10 years.
M
Michael Pardee
Backfire Bob said:
As the owner of a Toyota and having a Honda and an Acura (to be repaired
this morning) but no Subaus recently in the family, I think I can be
objective. Different design, but not poor. Subarus are designed with rugged
conditions in mind and they can seem rough around the edges on good
pavement.
It's not an uncommon problem. I had a Nisssan that had a recall (many years
down the road) for the exact same thing. The fuel rails were completely
redesigned for the recall. Nissan had to determine the actual cause of the
problem, engineer and test a solution, then come up with a supply chain for
the fix.
Actually, any underfilled auto tranny does that - it's the classic symptom
for low fluid level. Apparently the Subie tranny is more sensitive to the
fill level, and harder to get the level right, than many others.
I suspect the choice of a low current alternator is part of the
ruggedization. 60-100 amp alternators are great if you have to power a huge
audio amplifier so you can make booming noises to annoy fellow motorists and
pedestrians, but they are much more vulnerable to cooking themselves and the
batteries. The rating is how much current they are capable of putting out,
not how much they can put out continuously. No big deal if you are close to
facilities to replace your $$$ alternator and the battery, but bad news if
you are in the boonies.
Contaminants are much more of a problem for O2 sensors than heat is. If the
heat and flame blast is doing damage it would be amazing to see any sensor
last beyond 10K miles. Putting the sensor closer improves the mixture
regulation because the ECU doesn't need as much dampening to account for the
lag between the time the mixture is burned and the time it is sensed. It is
a design decision that I wouldn't call a flaw.
Most or all Toyotas and Hondas no longer accept DIN sized radios. It's been
a long time since I've seen a new Ford that does, either. Of the cars in my
family, only the oldest - my '85 Volvo - accepts DIN units.
Again, paint is a problem for Toyota. Dunno about Honda - I haven't heard
complaints there.
Mike
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Remco
Michael said:
Subaru makes extremely reliable vehicles - they run forever. I don't
care what you say, Bob, as your experience is an outlier - certainly
not the rule.
Both Mike and I are pretty active in the Honda group and hear the
similar things about them. (Nissan too - I hang out there as well).
You'll find that to be true with any car: someone will hate it for one
reason or another.
If you hate the car so much, buy something else and stop bitching about
it in a newsgroup of people that drive and like them. Life's too short.
B
Bugalugs
Backfire Bob wrote:
Clutch STINKS when in reverse (NEW CAR).None of my 7 Hondas,3 Toyotas,
Hang on a minute noddy.
"One" person inquired about this and you put it up as a major design fault.
Was it ever established that the clutch was at fault ??
Have you considered the possibility that the OP was backing into a cloud
of burnt paint/grease fumes from the exhaust system. Would not have been
noticible going forward. (except by those following)
Only happened twice !
Where did the OP mention 'fire'.
You and the truth are strangers.
Clutch STINKS when in reverse (NEW CAR).None of my 7 Hondas,3 Toyotas,
Hang on a minute noddy.
"One" person inquired about this and you put it up as a major design fault.
Was it ever established that the clutch was at fault ??
Have you considered the possibility that the OP was backing into a cloud
of burnt paint/grease fumes from the exhaust system. Would not have been
noticible going forward. (except by those following)
Only happened twice !
Where did the OP mention 'fire'.
You and the truth are strangers.
S
Sheldon
glasceus said:
Sorry bout that. I know Subies can be expensive to repair, but I live in a
ski resort and practically every other car is a Subie, and most of the
owners love them. I just sold a 90 to get a 97 and it sold in 2 days. The
97 I bought was in the paper 2 days, and the last one I saw in the paper
went in two days. Put a Subaru in the paper here and it doesn't last very
long -- 3 days tops. Outbacks are the most popular.
Today I nosed into parking space that most people wouldn't think of parking
in, and when the front wheels dropped into a gap in the ice I though I was a
gonner. But, the car easily pulled out with no problems -- not a slip or a
spin. Would I rather have a Lexus? You bet. But like most of the people
in this group I'm sold on the cars, and IMHO you have to be an idiot to buy
a big SUV over a Subaru, unless you have like 10 kids. A lot more bang for
the buck, especially if you buy a decent used one.
Maybe you got a lemon. It happens. So, let it go and get on with your
life. We'll probably be seeing you in another group.
BTW, I never did like the Forester. Just don't like the looks of em.
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glasceus
no, u wont see me on another board wondering around in circles trying
to figure out how to prevent a car from going belly up. no no, i learnt
my lesson, always visit a lot of internet message boards before u buy a
car. i only started visiting boards after i bought the subaru and what
kept me coming back was all horror stories i read about the forester
and subarus. subaru is garbage. i feel bad for the new owners but such
is life.
to figure out how to prevent a car from going belly up. no no, i learnt
my lesson, always visit a lot of internet message boards before u buy a
car. i only started visiting boards after i bought the subaru and what
kept me coming back was all horror stories i read about the forester
and subarus. subaru is garbage. i feel bad for the new owners but such
is life.
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Rick Courtright
glasceus said:
Hi,
A word of advice (about life as well as cars): happy owners don't
normally post on NGs or message boards. IME the posts you'll see
generally involve someone's problem that hasn't been solved elsewhere.
AND, if you count the number of people complaining about a particular
car, you'll find it's barely a handful compared to the number of cars
sold.
I have a Subie, a Toyota Camry and an old '88 Toyota truck (also had an
'86 that was stolen.) The Subie died last spring, and has been "resting"
in the garage awaiting a decision on fixing/disposing/whatever. The
Camry and truck are the "runners" at the moment. So at first glance it
appears the Subie's junk.
Until we read the odometers. The truck has 69k miles, the Camry 234k,
and the Subie? 360k, and the 150k of those I put on were the least
costly of the three vehicles on a per mile basis (and will remain so
even after I factor in a "new" engine--actually used/rebuilt--when I get
the time to swap it out.) I doubt it would be dead today if the previous
owner gave it even the most reasonable of maintenance--it lived down a
long dirt road and apparently the guy just drove it until something
quit, then "had Goober down ta the gas station patch it up." He
certainly didn't spend any serious time or money on car washes or
cleanliness, which tends to reflect on overall care in my mind.
As for maintenance woes, Subies are criticized for head gasket and oil
seal issues. If one checks the Camry NG, it appears the V-6 engine
(which I have) is noted for head gasket and oil seal issues. My truck
has the 22R engine, which everyone's touted as bulletproof for the last
20 yrs. But many owners will tell you that around 70k miles, you'll need
to replace oil seals and probably a headgasket.
My experience with these issues:
Subie--HG gone, recurring oil seal leaks
Camry--no HG (yet?), recurring oil seal leaks
Toy truck--('86) HG gone, approx 69k miles, recurring oil seal leaks
Toy truck--('88) no HG (yet?), may be developing oil seal leak (mileage
about right!)
What does this tell us? Depends on how one reads it. My take is all cars
have their problems, and getting my advice from the guy who runs the
automotive machine shop has been far more eye opening than what I've
learned on the Net.
BTW, an aside on oil leaks: a lot of posters here find oil seal leaks
around 60k-80k to be unacceptable. Perhaps they'd like to think that,
but notice the "hi-mileage" oil and ATF ads that promise to help slow
oil leaks, and you'll notice ONE recurring number: 75k miles! Guess
what, boys and girls, that's about all the seals are good for these days
(on average.) Doesn't matter what car you have, that's the same number
my machine shop guy tosses about, and he sees this stuff every day...
So take life as you will, but plan on doing some maintenance on your
car, regardless of what you drive! Good luck w/ your next one...
Rick
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jerryeveretts
Isn't this the truth, I don't know who has a worse reputation for
headgaskets, Toyota V6's or Subaru's. Unless you owned a Toyota V6 from
the 90's you might not be aware of a MAJOR recall, to replace
headgaskets on almost all the 3.0 V6 engines they sold, what a
nightmare. I didn't find out about this until after I bought my
4runner, and the headgasket blew at 90K. It's a gamble no matter what,
remember VW's waterboxer? holy cow, that had to be the worst headgasket
problem in auto history, but I did put 212K on my Vanagon before I sold
it, and it was still going strong. Just like a wife, you never know
what your going to get until you make the purchase and drive it for
awhile, sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes you lose half of
everything you own. I don't think it matters what brand you buy.
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pars
I've been a regular at the Honda newsgroup and decided to visit your
Subie group for the first time. I'm interested in the 06 2.5i Wagon and
wanted to know what enthusiast were saying. I've noticed that this
group seems to be a little more defensive when compared to the Honda
group. And the trolls seem to be doing their homework (which makes them
a little more creditable). Oh well, my search for a sporty hatchback
continues.
Pars
Subie group for the first time. I'm interested in the 06 2.5i Wagon and
wanted to know what enthusiast were saying. I've noticed that this
group seems to be a little more defensive when compared to the Honda
group. And the trolls seem to be doing their homework (which makes them
a little more creditable). Oh well, my search for a sporty hatchback
continues.
Pars
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glasceus
my grandad once told me: a man who can take advice is sometimes smarter
than the one who gives it" . my advice to u is to stay away from
subaru. far far away from the garbage. i think the countless complaints
speak for themselves.
than the one who gives it" . my advice to u is to stay away from
subaru. far far away from the garbage. i think the countless complaints
speak for themselves.