How do you know what it was like? And what would rebuild tolerances
have to do with an anti drainback valve working or not?
You tell me that. Your the one claiming there is some sort of oil
pressure problem but you haven't explained the circumstances with enough
clarity for any one reading it to determine anything. The only thing you
have said that sounded clear and reliable is that that you hated Fram
filters before you even tried the first one, and that you tried that one
filter on a fairly old engine which you rebuilt. That is hardly the
mountain of evidence you seem to think it is.
Like I said, it's not something I just made up. Like one said,
you've never seen the problem, so according to you it can't
exist.. What an asshole... :/
Yes it is something you just made up. You do not have much evidence.
Your tale is one rather poorly remembered single incident. I have seen
engines with various types of oil pressure problems and most of them
were not using Fram filters.
Nobody denies there is a lot of Fram detractors on Usenet. That is a
fact - no one doubts you can find people who agree with you. But if the
only evidence you can muster is everybody else says the Fram filter is
bad - that is no evidence at all.
I don't claim Fram filters never fail, but I know that anyone who
claims they always fail is simply lying. Studies have shown that the
failure rate for the drain back valve on Fram's is no different than
many other brands.
It may come as a surprise to you but brand new engines sometimes fail.
Read the following from a service technician that spent 35 years looking
at the problems that can occur with Ford engines under warranty"
***** START QUOTE******
For many years I worked in Ford Quality Services Dyno. Part of our
responsibility was to disassemble dealer return 4.6 and early 5.4
engines from across North America. These were noise concerns,
catastrophic failures, you name it. Engines that were pulled from
customers vehicles under warranty. We had engines from everyday drivers,
taxi, limo, police, raceing, delivery service, etc. I think I can safely
say I have seen it all when it comes to engine failures be it abuse or
other wise. We dissasembled, analized, and wrote reports on our findings
and determination on root cause of failure.
All filters be it air, fuel, oil have the potential to induce
contamination from the very material it is constructed of. The very
filter material that is designed to remove contaminates can breakdown
and migrate into down stream engine components. Any filter regardless of
manufacture has this potential. We have seen this with Mass air, fuel
injectors, oil passages ( restrictors). it happens because anything
mechanical has the potential to fail.
We would write reports based on our teardown analysis of the failed
engine. This report would be used for determination of warranty approval
or denial. I cannot remember when a warranty was denied because a
specific brand of oil filter was used. Now I've seen failures where we
found the original factory oil filter still on the engine after twenty
to sixty or seventy thousand miles and this was noted in the report. A
much bigger factor for warranty claim is regular maintainance with
receipts/records intact. I simply do not believe a dealer has the legal
right to deny a claim based on what brand of oil or filter the customer
used. I personally have never seen this happen. We would get police
vehicles with blown engines from high speed chases. The records would
show they used some off brand filter with bulk oil but had regular oil
changes at recommended intervals. They still were covered under
warranty. I have recieved failed engines with every brand or off brand
oil filter you can imagine and it was not a determining factor of
warranty denial or acceptance. Keeping receipts and maintainance records
for each vehicle is paramount.
Therefore the Fram versus Motorcraft debate in my opinion is mute. I
have used Fram as well as motorcraft and others. If I have a particular
concern ( start up knock for example) with one over the other then I
stick with the one I have confidence in. I have never seen a warranty
denial because a Fram filter was on the engine or as I stated any brand
filter for that matter.
This is just based on my experience. I don't claim to know everything
about this topic. But I know that Ford does value a customer and tries
to satisfy them. After spending much time also as a dealer panel rep I
can tell you there is always two sides of the story to every warranty
claim. The dealers and the customers. I learned not to make any
judgement until I heard both sides. You would be surprised how the story
can change once you get everyone in room together....
If you are abusing your vehicle or neglecting regular maintainance they
can and will decipher it and you very well may foot the bill on a
failure replacement or repair. If not then the dealer should take care
of you regardless of the oil filter brand.
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