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eliza lace
What should i choise?
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Tom Reingold
eliza said:
What are your criteria?
I just switched from Saab to Subaru. I owned three Saabs over 14 years.
I might be able to help make a comparison if you say what you're after.
Tom Reingold
Noo Joizy
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Remco
eliza said:
Depends what you are after. We've owned two Saabs (two 900s) and two
Subarus (GL and Impreza - still own the impreza).
I found the Subarus a lot more reliable. They are cheaper and easier to
maintain but a little boring to drive, imo.
Subarus are much better in snow, though.
Remco
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Fuzzy Logic
Saab 9-2X? it's a Subaru with some Saab touches. Apparently they aren't
selling too well so you should be able to get a good price and they have a
better warranty than the Subaru. More info here:
http://www.saabusa.com/saabjsp/92x/index.jsp
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Frank Logullo
eliza lace said:
Whichever comes with a spell checker
Frank
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Hallraker
eliza lace said:
Good friends of mine just picked up the Saab 9-2x, aka the "Saabaru" and are
quite pleased with it. They just got a much better deal from the Saab
dealer, so even though they slightly preferred the Subaru version, the
pricing won them over.
-Matt
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Moon Guy
eliza lace said:
Both GM owned.
Saab is becoming more GM or Saburu like, depending on the model.
The new Saab SUV is just a dressed up GM model
at a much higher (2x) price.
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Edward Hayes
GM has only 20% of Subaru. Saab appears to be 100% and everything GM
buys eventually goes from a reliable vehicle to an unreliable vehicle
within 3-4 years. I like Saab and hope GM does not use their reverse
Midas touch on it. With all the rebates and such I think the Saab is
the best value by far. The problem is GM will not have trained
mechanics to service it anymore than oil changes and Subaru mechanics
will look at you as a traitor. MHO. ed
buys eventually goes from a reliable vehicle to an unreliable vehicle
within 3-4 years. I like Saab and hope GM does not use their reverse
Midas touch on it. With all the rebates and such I think the Saab is
the best value by far. The problem is GM will not have trained
mechanics to service it anymore than oil changes and Subaru mechanics
will look at you as a traitor. MHO. ed
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Danny Russell
It's 20% now? -Danny
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Tom Reingold
Edward said:
I owned three Saabs, from 1991 through 2003. They were models from 1987,
1986, and 1995.
Saab has already been reverse-Midased, as far as I'm concerned. GM fired
all its designers and engineers, after promising not to do that. I'm
done with Saabs. I'm pissed.
There was an interesting public radio story a few weeks ago, comparing
Saab and Subaru. They said that Saab buyers were a niche, but not big
enough to keep a brand alive. By contrast, it said, Subaru is big
enough, as long as it keeps itself uniquely defined. Time will tell.
What attributes (or combination thereof) are unique to Subaru? Well, to
start, there's the full time all wheel drive throughout the model line.
There's the boxer engine. What else?
Tom
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KLS
Another unique feature to Subaru is the consistent, constant
availability of the wagon models (Toyota and Honda stopped theirs for
a while, for example).
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Tom Reingold
KLS said:
Yeah, the wagons seem to be a lot more popular than the sedans. That's
another reason I gave up on Saab. Because they gave up on the hatchback.
I can't imagine owning a car that is neither a hatchback nor a wagon.
Tom
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Carl 1 Lucky Texan
Parking light switch on top of steering column!
;^)
Carl
;^)
Carl
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Moon Guy
Tom Reingold said:
Full sized spare tire included.
Unfortunmately an increasing number of vehicles no longer have a spare
well to take a full sized spare, much less install one.
This inadequate spare wheel well doesn't meet my requiremets, so many
vehicles drop off my short list before I even sit in them. >
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B a r r y
Moon said:
That wasn't exactly true on my '01 OBW.
The spare was full _height_, but much narrower than the other tires. It
was also a limited use, low speed tire. I really doubt that a tire and
wheel matching the other four would have fit in the well with the
organizer tray in place.
The car was a 5 speed, so with a no way to disable AWD, a mini-donut
would have been unacceptable.
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Catherine Hampton
This isn't true of my 1998 Subaru Outback Sport -- the spare was one of the
temporary use only abominations. I replaced it with a full-service spare, but
that means giving up significant trunk space.
Has that changed?
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Mark Carroll
(snip)Moon Guy said:
My '04 STi doesn't have a full-sized spare. What spare it has, I'm not
sure - I've never needed to use it - but it's certainly different and
smaller. It does come with tire iron and jack, at least, but I don't
think a full-sized spare would fit in the well in the bottom of the
trunk.
-- Mark
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Guest
This isn't true of my 1998 Subaru Outback Sport -- the spare was one of the
temporary use only abominations. I replaced it with a full-service spare, but
that means giving up significant trunk space.
Has that changed?[/QUOTE]
Interesting that so many Subaru models also don't have a full sized
wheel compartment.
I was thinking of the Forester which my friend has. The Forester I saw
a few months ago had a full sized spare as does my friends '99- I
believe that's the YR.
A few years ago he was saved by the full sized spare when he got a bad
flat on a logging road 100 miles from service.
An Aussie friend just visited me and told me a spare the same as the
tires on the vehicle is a legal requirement down there.
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Guy Macon
Moon said:Full sized spare tire included.
Unfortunmately an increasing number of vehicles no longer have a spare
well to take a full sized spare, much less install one.
This inadequate spare wheel well doesn't meet my requiremets, so many
vehicles drop off my short list before I even sit in them. >
My 1985 has a full-size spare *in the engine compartment*. It came
with a T-tire but when I bough a full-size wheel and tire it dropped
right in.
Spare well? We don' need no steenking spare well!!
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Catherine Hampton
That's why I junked the "temporary use only" thingie and bought a steel wheel
and full-service spare tire. A TUO tire is fine for those who drive almost
entirely on paved roads, and never more than (say) forty miles from the nearest
tire replacement facility. Like a lot of you, though, I drive a Subaru for a
reason. <G> I'm quite familiar with old, 4WD/AWD only roads in the Los Padres
National Forest and Sierras here in California, and tolerably familiar with such
roads all over the U.S. west. And TUO tires require disabling AWD and are not
fit for use off-road or on roads that bad.
So I use the wheel well for other things, and sacrifice perhaps a quarter of my
trunk space to a real spare. <sigh> I wish I didn't have to, and if there's a
way to get a Subaru that doesn't have this flaw when I get my next car, I'll
take it.
I'm tempted to go shopping for my next Subie down there. <G>
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