86 GL lifters-bad sign

[pheasant]

Been a good 20 year run.

Don't want to diddle with this myself, and know it'll be WAAAAY more than
it's worth.

Momma and the kids are rejoicing, "maybe Daddy will get a car with auto this
time".

Lucas oil to the (short term) rescue.

 

[Grolch]

I had the same thing with my old 86. That loudish ticking. I suspect that
Subarus oil spec may have something to do with it. While everyone else was
going to 5W oils Subaru spec'd the 15W. This may, over time, have prevented
effective lube of the whole lifter mech's. Ah well, Like you say it was a
good 20 year run. Actually the car is still on the road. Some teenager ended
up with the car and it clacks it's way by quite often. My brother used to
have a solution for noisy exhausts and stuff.... He would buy a bigger amp.

 

[Joe Kultgen]

I had the same thing with my old 86. That loudish ticking. I suspect
that Subarus oil spec may have something to do with it. While everyone
else was going to 5W oils Subaru spec'd the 15W. This may, over time,
have prevented effective lube of the whole lifter mech's. Ah well,
Like you say it was a good 20 year run. Actually the car is still on
the road. Some teenager ended up with the car and it clacks it's way
by quite often. My brother used to have a solution for noisy exhausts
and stuff.... He would buy a bigger amp.

Actually the problem may not be the lifters at all.

Many of the older Soobies had a problem with the "O" ring sealing the oil
pump. As the ring hardens/shrinks with age it allows the pump to suck air
past it and deliver foamed oil to the lifters. The seals are cheap but the
labor to R&R the pump if you can't do it yourself may be more than the car
is worth.

Normally by the time the oil pump seal is a problem the cam seals are also
leaking. If you're planning to fix either problem the other is a small
extra charge.

later,
Joe

 

[Carl 1 Lucky Texan]

Actually the problem may not be the lifters at all.

Many of the older Soobies had a problem with the "O" ring sealing the oil
pump. As the ring hardens/shrinks with age it allows the pump to suck air
past it and deliver foamed oil to the lifters. The seals are cheap but the
labor to R&R the pump if you can't do it yourself may be more than the car
is worth.

Normally by the time the oil pump seal is a problem the cam seals are also
leaking. If you're planning to fix either problem the other is a small
extra charge.

later,
Joe

Excellent post!
Also, on some sube models newer than yours, the tensioner can be noisy -
though it is usually reported as more of a knock noise.

Carl

 

[pheasant]

Actually the problem may not be the lifters at all.

Many of the older Soobies had a problem with the "O" ring sealing the oil
pump. As the ring hardens/shrinks with age it allows the pump to suck air
past it and deliver foamed oil to the lifters. The seals are cheap but the
labor to R&R the pump if you can't do it yourself may be more than the car
is worth.

Replacing the oil pump can't be much more than a couple bolts and a gasket
eh?

Any firm way to diagnose it before I order a pump and spend an afternoon
replacing it.

If that's all it would be it'd be a cheap, cheap fix.

The Lucas oil makes it run so quiet I've forgotten about the noise, but if
this would be a fix, I'd gladly waste the 4 new quarts of Mobil1 and start
over.

Yep the cam seals make it look like an old AMF hog was parked there, but
don't want to tear down timing belts and water pump for that.

Thanks
Mark

 

[pheasant]

The pump itself is usually OK. What you're looking for is the "O" ring
that goes around the pump body and the shaft seal. They're usually sold
as a "pump installation kit".

http://www.forparts.com/sub2.htm

Bad news is you have to pull the timing belt to get the pump off. That's
why it's a good idea to replace camshaft seals at the same time. By the
time the pump leaks the cam seals are also leaking if they haven't
already been replaced and it isn't that much extra labor to do them too.

Later,
Joe

Thanks Joe!

Vacation next week has a new project. Painting the house can wait.

Mark

 

[Joe Kultgen]

Replacing the oil pump can't be much more than a couple bolts and a
gasket eh?

Any firm way to diagnose it before I order a pump and spend an
afternoon replacing it.

If that's all it would be it'd be a cheap, cheap fix.

The pump itself is usually OK. What you're looking for is the "O" ring
that goes around the pump body and the shaft seal. They're usually sold
as a "pump installation kit".

http://www.forparts.com/sub2.htm

Bad news is you have to pull the timing belt to get the pump off. That's
why it's a good idea to replace camshaft seals at the same time. By the
time the pump leaks the cam seals are also leaking if they haven't
already been replaced and it isn't that much extra labor to do them too.

Later,
Joe

 

[Rick Courtright]

Bad news is you have to pull the timing belt to get the pump off.
That's why it's a good idea to replace camshaft seals at the same
time. By the time the pump leaks the cam seals are also leaking if

Hi,

While you're in there, replace the front crank main seal, too! And on
your oil pump, do the small seal on the front as well as the two o-rings
(two on mine, at least) on the back (they should all be in the kit.)

Many advise to go ahead and replace the water pump while you're in that
far. Don't know what the timing chain/belt arrangement is on your car,
but if it uses belts, replacement of the belts and idlers should be done
along with the cam seals, too. Use OEM belts for best service!

Rick

 

[pheasant]

Hi,

While you're in there, replace the front crank main seal, too! And on
your oil pump, do the small seal on the front as well as the two o-rings
(two on mine, at least) on the back (they should all be in the kit.)

Many advise to go ahead and replace the water pump while you're in that
far. Don't know what the timing chain/belt arrangement is on your car,
but if it uses belts, replacement of the belts and idlers should be done
along with the cam seals, too. Use OEM belts for best service!

Rick

Yep!
Just did the water pump about 2 months ago. :\
But yes, the belts only 3 years old, but since I gotta dig it all apart will
spend the extra 40 and do them too.

Yeah, wish the oil pump would have been just a couple bolts and a gasket.
After working on Chevy small blocks these imports leave lots to be desired
from a tinkerer's perspective. (mebbe it has something to do with age and
schedules too)

Thanks for the reply!
Mark

 

[Azgormn]

Many thanks, yes I have received my full order with 'cheap accutane
(http://tinyurl.com/y782f3) <
href=http://www.rx.pharmcheap.com/product.php?category=Skin+Care&item=Accutane>chea
accutane</a> and 'hoodia
(http://www.belmashstroy.by/admin/hoodia/hoodia.html) <
href=http://www.belmashstroy.by/admin/hoodia/hoodia.html>hoodia</a>.
have used other internet suppliers but you are the best of the best
Thank you again for a brilliant product & service, 'buy hoodia
(http://www.belmashstroy.by/admin/hoodia/hoodia.html) <
href=http://www.belmashstroy.by/admin/hoodia/hoodia.html>buy hoodia</a
and 'buy accutane' (http://tinyurl.com/y782f3) <
href=http://www.rx.pharmcheap.com/product.php?category=Skin+Care&item=Accutane>bu
accutane</a>
- Kindest regards, Ro

 

[JayFrogger]

http://www.depression-drugs-buy-online.dkp3d.info/index.html depressio
drugs buy online
http://www.depression-drugs-online.bsd3b.info/index.html depressio
drugs buy online
http://www.depression-drugs-buy.dkp3d.info/index.html depression drug
buy online
http://www.depression-drugs-buy-online.jhk3j.info/index.html
depression drugs buy online
http://www.depression-drugs-buy-online.bsd3b.info/index.html
depression drugs buy online

<
href="http://www.depression-drugs-buy-online.dkp3d.info/index.html">depressio
drugs buy online</a>
<
href="http://www.depression-drugs-online.bsd3b.info/index.html">depressio
drugs buy online</a>
<
href="http://www.depression-drugs-buy.dkp3d.info/index.html">depressio
drugs buy online</a>
<
href="http://www.depression-drugs-buy-online.jhk3j.info/index.html">depressio
drugs buy online</a>
<
href="http://www.depression-drugs-buy-online.bsd3b.info/index.html">depressio
drugs buy online</a