Wrapping up...was "Oil in Spark Plug Sleeves"

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fred.boer

Hello group:

For those of you interested, and especially Todd, my fellow
reliability martyr.. :)

When we last left off my saga, I had just picked up my Subie after
$2100.00 of head gaskets, only to return with the car still having
serious driveability issues. Returning to the dealership produced a
diagnosis of ignition coil problems. $450.00. Picking up the car after
this repair, it hadn't improved at all, and I did a U-Turn back to the
dealership full of frustration. I decided to wait until all was
resolved before reporting back...

Obviously, I was beginning to despair. The dealership kept the car
over the weekend and for one or two days. Eventually I received a
phone call. The final diagnosis was that it *wasn't* the ignition coil
after all, but a faulty oxygen sensor which was causing intermittent
problems. Apparently they spent hours trying to diagnose it. The
repair cost with diagnosis was to be another $450.00. Bad news!! But
wait!...

The service manager was apologetic about the misdiagnosis, so he
refunded the cost of the ignition coil, and didn't charge me for the
diagnosis or repair of the oxygen sensor. So I was only left with an
hour or so of service cost. I was pleased with that - given that I
might have been charged $800.00 or more, I finished up with only
$150.00 or so in my cost. Obviously it wasn't a great situation, given
the time wasted and frustration, etc., but I was satisfied with the
final resolution.

SO....since then (2 weeks or so), the car has not exhibited the
problems again, so it looks like it has been fixed. After all this I
still feel like I am driving a carton of fragile eggs, however,
worrying every second that the *&*& thing might suddenly die on me
again. It does have a somewhat rough idle, but it hasn't stalled,
backfired or anything like that.

BUT... I was still unhappy about having to pay for two complete head
gasket jobs within 60,000k, and opened a case with Subaru. After
several weeks of phone calls, requests for service information, etc. I
was informed that Subaru was not willing to pay for any of it. "Out of
warranty"..."hadn't performed all service at Subaru dealership"...
incomplete service records... blah blah. Everything very polite and
professional, but no $$ for you!

I responded with a spreadsheet listing service and repairs and emails
to Subaru and Dealership and phoned both complaining in person. I was
offered a 50/50 split on the head gasket repair. I took that deal.
Perhaps the figure of $4700.00 in maintenance/repair costs in 2007 in
the spreadsheet helped, who knows? (BTW...think I got you beat there,
Todd!). Or, their plan all along was to say no to soften me up for a
50/50 split...

Ok, perhaps I might have continued with a long fight and gotten a
better deal, but I also have a life, so, meh, it's over for me. Here's
hoping against hope that with all the problems and repairs I've had
that maybe I'll get a few years of reasonable reliability.

Happy Holidays!

Fred

P.S. Power steering is still an issue I am working on with local
garage. New PS pump was installed without improving the situation
(That was under warranty). This saga is still ongoing...
 
Good luck with your car Fred, and have a great holiday week. Thanks for
sharing the story...makes me feel a little better about my own carton of
eggs. :)
 
Hey folks,

You will find very good help and advice at the ultimate subaru message
board.org. The will help the novice to advanced.

It will be much more satisfying that trying to get answers here. Don't
get me wrong, usenet can be useful. (no pun intended)

Good luck with your eggs...
 
but a faulty oxygen sensor which was causing intermittent
problems. Apparently they spent hours trying to diagnose it.

Interesting. Through my similar saga, I heard a lot of talk about o2
sensors being very often the culprit.

That's a lot easier to rectify than my case -- where it turned out to
be a timing belt and tensioner replacement led to nearly a year of a
goose chase where finally it was determined that a defective subaru
oem timing belt tensioner failed to tension after hand turning the
engine the TSB-specified number of times, flattened a tooth on the
brand new belt, and then itermittently jumped one tooth here or there
causing really anemic driveability issues that were intermittent.

I never got a break on the head rebuild my independent did, but man
did he eat a lot of unpaid diagnosis hours trying to figure out what
the hell was wrong. I wrap myself up in the feel good math of not
having to worry about a Subaru head gasket any more though.

2007 was my most expensive auto maintenance year ever, and it won't be
over soon enough! Thanks Subaru, you bastards. :)
 
A sad story, Todd! :)

But I'm curious.. why are you so sure you won't have to worry about a
"Subaru head gasket any more..."? I'm worrying about it constantly!

Never say never! :(
 
Fred Boer said:
A sad story, Todd! :)

But I'm curious.. why are you so sure you won't have to worry about a
"Subaru head gasket any more..."? I'm worrying about it constantly!

Never say never! :(

Because my repalced head gasket done with the head rebuild is not a
Subaru part. :)

And apparently once machined down and all that happiness, the
recurrence of head gasket problems on these supposedly isn't bad, but
time will tell i'm sure.
 
Ah, well here's hoping... My head had to be machined when they did it the
first time at 89,000.... But surely to heavens they have a good head gasket
now - and I'm getting the magical stop-leak fluid too...

I washed my car today, checked the tire pressures, threw out the garbage,
filled it with gas, put in a favourite CD and I am now driving forward with
a brave and daring heart into the hopeful future.

And if the Subie rewards me with a few good years of reliable service, I'll
be sure to come back and play fair by mentioning it here!

Happy motoring!

Cheers!
Fred
 
i had some major "mid-life" repairs done on my '02 legacy wagon (valve
cover seals, clutch, brakes, etc.) and let myself get talked into
replacing the accessory belt. although it wasn't completely necessary
(the belt was worn, but still okay), it improved the power steering
performance noticeably, especially at low speeds, like parking.
 

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