American gas vs Canadian Gas

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Marty

I have a 99 legacy wagon 170,000 kms on it, and have been setting my
tripometer for each tank of gas for the last year, i average around 520 -
550 kms per tank of just regular grade fuel. recently i drove throug the
states and filled up on just regular gas there as well. and was able to
drive 615 - 650 kms on the tank, why the huge difference in milage?
anyone else noticed that their subaru drives smoother quieter and further on
american gas then canadian blends, i even filled up at sunoco i always us
sunoco canadian or american.

just curious as to others results.
 
and that has exactly WHAT to do with going about 100 kms farther on a TANK
of gas?
 
I have a 99 legacy wagon 170,000 kms on it, and have been setting my
tripometer for each tank of gas for the last year, i average around 520 -
550 kms per tank of just regular grade fuel. recently i drove throug the
states and filled up on just regular gas there as well. and was able to
drive 615 - 650 kms on the tank, why the huge difference in milage?
anyone else noticed that their subaru drives smoother quieter and further on
american gas then canadian blends, i even filled up at sunoco i always us
sunoco canadian or american.

just curious as to others results.

My guess is that your US miles were largely highway, and your "home"
miles included more stop and go city driving.
 
"Marty" said:
I have a 99 legacy wagon 170,000 kms on it, and have been setting my
tripometer for each tank of gas for the last year, i average around 520 -
550 kms per tank of just regular grade fuel. recently i drove throug the
states and filled up on just regular gas there as well. and was able to
drive 615 - 650 kms on the tank, why the huge difference in milage?
anyone else noticed that their subaru drives smoother quieter and further on
american gas then canadian blends, i even filled up at sunoco i always us
sunoco canadian or american.

Several explanations suggest themselves, listed in what I suspect is
decreasing order of likelihood.

(1) The US trip involved less stop-and-go driving.

(2) It was warmer, and the engine ran more efficiently.

(3) The octane ratings, though nominally the same (87) differed
substantially. Lower octane gas will cause the Subaru engine management
system to retard the timing further, eliminating pinging but reducing
power and gas mileage. I have found substantial differences in gasoline
mileage between different name-brand US gasolines in my 1997 5-speedLegacy
Outback (221,000 km), though all brands were nominally 87 octane.

(4) The US gas did not contain manganese additives, and the Canadian gas
did. This however would be more likely to cause long-term problems with
Canadian gas (catalytic converter contamination, for example -- this is
why auto manufacturers dislike the manganese compounds found in most
Canadian gas) rather than short-term gas mileage reduction.

Instead of resetting the trip odometer, make a cumulative record of gas
purchased and odometer reading, and calculate the average km/L figure. I
do this, starting a new record at the beginning of each year. The average
km/L figure taken from the first of the year will be far less sensitive to
minor variations in how completely you fill the gas tank than the
individual km/L figures, but major changes in performance will soon show
themselves as the average km/L figure begins to drift in one direction or
the other. Some drift should be expected, if driving conditions (highway
versus city, or time of year, for example) vary. I have on two occasions
(with a 1988 Subaru GL 4x4 wagon, not the 1997 Outback) spotted a clogging
fuel filter when the gas mileage began to improve markedly for no good
reason. In each case it dropped back to normal when the partially clogged
filter was replaced. Presumably the clogging was caused by dirty gasoline.

David, 65 km from the US border and manganese-free gasoline
 
My guess is that your US miles were largely highway, and your "home"
miles included more stop and go city driving.

I have been getting better fuel consumption on U.S. gas for every
car I have owned for the last two decades. I assume it is the
composition of the gas. I always buy the regular (lowest octane)
in Canada and the lowest octane available in the U.S.

Just as an example, I took a year's log and have the following
numbers: (all in miles per U.S. gallon)

Average consumption for the year (includes city/highway obviously)
26.6 mpg

Best consumption for a backroads trip on Canadian gas:
29.7 mpg

Three consecutive fillups on a trip through the U.S.:
36.0 mpg
33.7 mpg
32.1 mpg
 
Marty said:
I have a 99 legacy wagon 170,000 kms on it, and have been setting my
tripometer for each tank of gas for the last year, i average around
520 - 550 kms per tank of just regular grade fuel. recently i drove
throug the states and filled up on just regular gas there as well.
and was able to drive 615 - 650 kms on the tank, why the huge
difference in milage?

I always get better hwy fuel economy in the U.S. because everyone seems to
drive faster up here.
- I usually average 120 kph on the 401
- I usually average 100 kph (60 mph) on U.S. interstates

Hence I burn about 8 l/100km in the U.S., but 9.5 l/100km in Canada...but
this has nothing to do with the fuel, IMHO.

BTW, how are you calculating your tank "kilometerage", since you obviously
are not driving the car dry (that might cause your fuel pump to explode (see
other thread) :) Do you just multiply the distance driven since last
fill-up by the tank capacity/fuel added?

cheers!
 
Marty said:
I have a 99 legacy wagon 170,000 kms on it, and have been setting my
tripometer for each tank of gas for the last year, i average around 520 -
550 kms per tank of just regular grade fuel. recently i drove throug the
states and filled up on just regular gas there as well. and was able to
drive 615 - 650 kms on the tank, why the huge difference in milage?

There's only so much octane to go around, and in America we
put more of it into our gas and less into our piss water beer.

Don't you think it's worth the mileage decrease to have better beer?

-DanD
 
and that has exactly WHAT to do with going about 100 kms farther on a TANK
of gas?

Besides which, the Imperial gallon is *bigger* than the US gallon so
would yield more kms per gallon, if gas were sold by the gallon in
Canada.
 
Hi,
Canada does not sell gas by gallon. Pump is all metric.
Canadian crude typically has higher sulphur(bad stuff).
Tony
 
Mike said:
Who the hell would figure out their car's milage in km/gal? That's
like measuring it in feet/cup.

and why is it still called "milage"? Canada isn't completely metric, we
still have backyards, dog pounds and guys named Myles.

Incidentally I drove 253km on 16.044l of gas I bought at Dummond's. What
works out to 37mpg or 6.4l/100km, which is waay better than anything I've
ever seen published for my 95 Legacy Wagon (AWD). I was driving almost
continuously at 90-100kph, which is considered the ideal speed.
(www.fueleconomy.com).

I'll have to fill up with Esso next time to see if it makes an difference.
 

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