They're Going To Put Refugees On Cruise Ships

[Karen]

Someone sent me the following (offered w/o comment), which seems pertinent
to this discussion:

TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005

By Robert Tracinski

[article snipped]

Mr. Tracinski was recently appointed Grand Imperial Wizard of the Ku
Klux Klan.

It looks as though this was originally posted on The Intellectual
Activist web page hosted by Robert Tracinski. I don't keep up with
far right wing groups, so I wouldn't know what his status with the KKK
is.

Karen


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[Buck]

I think the rebuilt New Orleans will be a lot different than the old one. I
see New Orleans being re-positioned as an upscale city, solely a tourist
attraction. They can rebuild the historical areas(French Quarter, Garden
District, Cabildo, etc) and not do the sprawl again.

SPRAWL?!? Have you looked at the aerial photos of New Orleans? A quick
back-of-the-envelope calculation puts the single-family housing
densities between 7 and 8 units per acre. There are 561,000 housing
units (apartments, duplexes, single-family houses, etc.) in New Orleans
(census.gov). There is hardly any open space in the area. It is hardly
what I would call a sprawled city.

However, I do agree with your assessment of what New Orleans will
become. I think there is a lot of interest in preserving the history,
but not much in rebuilding the projects.

-Buck

 

[Bill Sornson]

Someone sent me the following (offered w/o comment), which seems
pertinent to this discussion:

TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005

By Robert Tracinski

[article snipped]

Mr. Tracinski was recently appointed Grand Imperial Wizard of the Ku
Klux Klan.

Is that true? Google doesn't show that. I merely offered the article in
the context of /this particular thread/, as it touched on what Gooserider
said. (Granted, I hadn't yet "considered the source" -- never heard of the
guy.)

 

[Claire Petersky]

What a krock of bullshit. Is that the best your liberal mind can come up
with.

Exactly what is the crock of shit? That my mother was once a refugee? (They
were actually refugees several times, until finally coming to the sanctuary
of Canada in 1941.) That other people might not have wanted to share space
with them because of their ethnicity, native language, etc.?

--
Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
See the books I've set free at:
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[TomCAt]

Exactly what is the crock of shit? That my mother was once a refugee?
(They were actually refugees several times, until finally coming to the
sanctuary of Canada in 1941.) That other people might not have wanted to
share space with them because of their ethnicity, native language, etc.?

--
Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
See the books I've set free at:
http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

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Hey Claire ,,,,,,,,,,,, do you think my family came to the USA because the
country they were living in was a paradise?
One thing though. When they got here they went to work. Work,,,,, that
seems to be a word that the majority of citizens of New Orleans have never
used, or heard.

Oh, and my dad, uncles, etc didn't have babies all over the place and not
support the kids they were fathering.

Screw you and your liberal crap.

 

[Jean O'Boyle]

Bill,
Finally, the truth is surfacing...but you watch, the Federal Government
blamers will not understand one word of the very fine article below.....They
have their own personal agendas for which they dislike the present
administration and they will let them discolor everything and anything
concerning it.. They just want to keep hating and keep it spreading...If you
will watch, some of them that were critical, abusive and belittling the
President's intellect, will respond that they didn't know what really was
happening, others will question the source and others will ridicule you for
posting it..Be ready for it.

Thank you for posting this objective view of what is really going on...Kudos
to Mr. Tracinski for telling it as it really is and not writing something
just for sensationalism, but to expose what was wrong, with the hopes that
it will open some eyes and it will be corrected.
The Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Louisiana failed their
people..I don't care what color they are or were, they are all human beings
and their needs should have been considered and taken care of days before
the disaster.

--Jean

 

[TomCAt]

I wonder how many will complain that lifeboat is blocking the view or
if they get an inside or outside cabin. They will probably riot over
who gets a suite!! I'd sure hate to go on that boat after its turned
into a floating kennel. I'm sorry but after seeing a woman on tv
complaining that her MRE that was donated by OUR tax money was "too
cold" I have lost all sympathy for the majority of the flood "victims".
They are so used to having everything given to them they expect someone
else to care for them.

Published September 4, 2005


After a disaster, people rally around the battle cry of rebuilding.

It could be the space program after a shuttle explosion or a beach city
after a hurricane. We will be back -- bigger and better than ever.

Unfortunately, the drumbeat of this emotional appeal often overrides more
practical considerations.

Such is the case with New Orleans.

Last week, a practical Dennis Hastert, speaker of the U.S. House of
Representatives, questioned the wisdom of completely rebuilding New Orleans.
He immediately was blasted as cruel and insensitive.

That may be, but there was one thing he was not -- wrong.

New Orleans should not be rebuilt bigger and better than before. It never
should have been built like it was in the first place.

A quick geology lesson is in order. The Mississippi River is loaded with
silt and sand -- hence the phrase Muddy Mississippi. As the river nears the
Gulf of Mexico and widens, this silt settles to the bottom, creating land
and marsh called deltas.

New Orleans was built on a delta.

Engineers surrounded it with dikes for flood protection. The dikes channeled
the Mississippi directly into the Gulf of Mexico, bypassing the deltas. This
robbed the deltas of the silt needed to renourish them.

The result is that the land New Orleans sits on is sinking. And the
expansive delta marshes south of the city are rapidly disappearing under the
Gulf of Mexico -- at the rate of about 25 miles a year.

This is bringing the Gulf ever closer to New Orleans, eliminating its
protective buffer against hurricanes. This comes as the storms are growing
in number and power. And on top of all this, the sea is rising.

So we have sinking land, rising water and worsening storms. Bigger dikes
don't fix this. Geologists have calculated that New Orleans, most of which
is below sea level, will be swallowed up by the Gulf in 100 years.

Chip Groat, the director of the United States Geological Survey, has said,
"New Orleans will likely be on the verge of extinction by this time next
century."

There is a plan to slow this down by spending $14 billion on a massive
30-year project to partially reconnect the Mississippi and its nourishing
silt to the sinking deltas.

Even if it is possible to play catch-up at this late date, billions more
would have to be spent rebuilding dikes.

To keep a rebuilt New Orleans dry would become an increasing expensive,
futile and dangerous proposition.

History has shown us time and time again, particularly along the Mississippi
River, that "flood control" often becomes a self-defeating proposition. The
surest way to cause billions in damages and kill people is to put them
behind a dike.

Yes, I know about Holland.

Holland is not on the Mississippi River. It is not in hurricane alley.

The worst-case scenario is that the Bush administration, riddled with guilt
over its Katrina response, gives New Orleans a blank check to rebuild
without regard to consequences.

New Orleans obviously will not be abandoned. But it should be confined to
more defensible borders on the remaining high ground.

Katrina was not a fluke. It was a matter of time. So is the next disaster,
if this lesson isn't learned. Do we really want to do this again in 20
years?

 

[Jasper Janssen]

They who? THEY???? One stupid woman does not represent an entire group
of suddenly homeless people. Geez, Rush, lighten up!

They "those people". You know, poor, black. "Those people" should be
grateful we alloe them to work at our plantations, dammit.


Jasper

 

[Jasper Janssen]

Voting patterns!
Louisiana voted for Bush and just elected a Republican U.S. senator. Is it
plausible to think Bush wanted to watch the state's major city sink into
chaos for political reasons? Not to mention that the chairman of the
Republican National Committee, Ken Mehlman, has devoted his chairmanship to
winning more black voters.

New Orleans voted for the other guy, and a Dem mayor. And the people that
were left in the city were the people who did so by the largest margin --
in other words, eliminate enough of them and you swing the city back to
Rep. I'm not saying that's been a major factor, but I somehow doubt it
hasn't crossed the mind of any of the federal political appointees,
especially since Jesse Jackson so kindly pointed it out to them.

Jasper

 

[Bill Sornson]

Published September 4, 2005

WHAT was?!? You keep posting stuff written by others without attribution
or, just as often, disclosure.

Says a lot about you...

 

[Bill Sornson]

New Orleans voted for the other guy, and a Dem mayor. And the people
that were left in the city were the people who did so by the largest
margin -- in other words, eliminate enough of them and you swing the
city back to Rep. I'm not saying that's been a major factor, but I
somehow doubt it hasn't crossed the mind of any of the federal
political appointees, especially since Jesse Jackson so kindly
pointed it out to them.

Race-baiting is nothing new to the "Reverend". It's despicable.

 

[Gooserider]

SPRAWL?!? Have you looked at the aerial photos of New Orleans? A quick
back-of-the-envelope calculation puts the single-family housing
densities between 7 and 8 units per acre. There are 561,000 housing
units (apartments, duplexes, single-family houses, etc.) in New Orleans
(census.gov). There is hardly any open space in the area. It is hardly
what I would call a sprawled city.

However, I do agree with your assessment of what New Orleans will
become. I think there is a lot of interest in preserving the history,
but not much in rebuilding the projects.

-Buck

Well, I by sprawl I meant that the city has grown right up to both the lake
and the river, and away from the higher ground. I don't think the projects
will be rebuilt. New Orleans will become a playground, like Vegas.

 

[Grolsch]

I think it's a great idea. Let these folks, who've suffered mightily be
pampered.

Besides they are probably cruise ships ready for major refits. I am
regularily involved in these refits in drydocks, trades and engineers
normally stay on board during the dry-docking. The ships normally cover
everything (and I mean everything) in shrink wrap so even filthy tradesmen
won't do harm. Also they strip out, what to normal people would seem
perfect, furniture, decks, bars etc. It's all very wasteful all so the rich
can wallow in undeserved luxury. The workers on board are usuall divided
into two classes, the uglier older ones make beds and clean while the young
good-looking ones dress the place up, all for a pitance

I've never been on a cruise, wouldn't want to, BUT, From my experience on
board I think the over-the-top consumption is absolutley ridiculous.
Multiple pools, rock climbing walls, bowling alleys, bars, glitzy
chandeliers it's really sick. REALLY SICK! Reminds me of Excursion drivers
and people who for some reason need to flaunt wealth and oppulence in their
own and others faces.

If you really had to pay the TRUE COST of all the little luxuries you now
enjoy, you'd be S.O.L.
By real cost I mean materials, environment, social etc. Not just prop up
your unsustainable lifestyle on the backs of the environment and underpaid
workers.

 

[Gooserider]

New Orleans voted for the other guy, and a Dem mayor. And the people that
were left in the city were the people who did so by the largest margin --
in other words, eliminate enough of them and you swing the city back to
Rep. I'm not saying that's been a major factor, but I somehow doubt it
hasn't crossed the mind of any of the federal political appointees,
especially since Jesse Jackson so kindly pointed it out to them.

Jasper

It would seem that voting for Democratic mayors hasn't exactly worked for
New Orleans. Not that the Republicans would necessarily be better, but
wouldn't it be worth a try. The definition of insanity is doing the same
thing over and over and expecitng a different result, or something like
that. New Orleans has been a corrupt, filthy, crime-ridden hellhole for
years. The only time it was relatively safe was when the Mafia and Carlos
Marcello ran the Quarter. Tourists and business owners were safe(well the
owners were safe if they paid their protection) from street crime, because
it was bad for business. If somebody was caught mugging tourists, the nice
guys in shiny suits tended to dump said criminal in the lake.

 

[Bob the Cow]

The embarrassment is that stupid people like you will pretend that you
care when what you want is the government to take my tax money and support
people who don't want to work, go to school, or in any way take care of
themselves.

Learned helplessness is the scourge of the poor and has only been
intensified since the Great Society -- I'll give you that.

Do you know what the out of wedlock birth rate is among the Black citizens
of New Orleans?

70%

So they deserve to drown or be victimized by thugs? I don't see the
connection between a questionable lifestyle and a natural disaster. Unless
you believe that Allah is punishing them or something...

 

[Bill Sornson]

Learned helplessness is the scourge of the poor and has only been
intensified since the Great Society -- I'll give you that.


So they deserve to drown or be victimized by thugs? I don't see the
connection between a questionable lifestyle and a natural disaster. Unless
you believe that Allah is punishing them or something...

No, that's Robert Kennedy's bag. (There's a cow joke there somewhere,
but...)

 

[Grolsch]

Do not close your eyes to suffering. Find ways to be with those who are
suffering, including personal contacts and visits. By such means awaken
yourself and others to the reality of suffering in the world.
Buddha

 

[bigjim]

think it's a great idea. Let these folks, who've suffered mightily be
pampered. <<

Theyve been pampered for generations of welfare, housing, food stamps,
and medicaid.

 

[Don]

I find the racism in these OT postings appalling. Sure you have an angry,
immoral criminal element. But it is the result of your policies over the
last 200 years. And the incredible insensitivity in the handling of this
disaster will bounce back in more racial turmoil. I'm thankful I do not
live in the US. I'm especially thankful I am not a black (or Arab, or
Asian) living in the US.
ds

There are probably many who agree with you and are thankful that you don't
live in the US. Racism is a universal human condition.

Don D.

 

[Grolsch]

--

There are probably many who agree with you and are thankful that you don't
live in the US. Racism is a universal human condition.

Don D.

But it doesn't have to be! At least the violent, injust oppresion doesn't
have to be. I too am glad I am not an american.

HJW