Claire Petersky said:Because they're poor? Because they're black? Because they're from the
South? Because they're more morally deficient than you?
I wonder how many will complain that lifeboat is blocking the view or
if they get an inside or outside cabin. They will probably riot over
who gets a suite!! I'd sure hate to go on that boat after its turned
into a floating kennel. I'm sorry but after seeing a woman on tv
complaining that her MRE that was donated by OUR tax money was "too
cold" I have lost all sympathy for the majority of the flood "victims".
They are so used to having everything given to them they expect someone
else to care for them.
And we wonder why people hate Americans the world over. Sad.
CompUser said:@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
(e-mail address removed) says...
Jabario, now "Big Jim"?
Based on your whiney, contentious posts, I've
always visualized you as a rather diminutive in
stature---with a large case of small man
syndrome.
I wonder how many will complain that lifeboat is blocking the view or
if they get an inside or outside cabin. They will probably riot over
who gets a suite!! I'd sure hate to go on that boat after its turned
into a floating kennel. I'm sorry but after seeing a woman on tv
complaining that her MRE that was donated by OUR tax money was "too
cold" I have lost all sympathy for the majority of the flood "victims".
They are so used to having everything given to them they expect someone
else to care for them.
What a krock of bullshit. Is that the best your liberal mind can come up
with.
Jeff Starr said:Everyone of those poor suffering people are better human beings than
you. Your lack of compassion, your bigotry, and hatred shows you to be
a completely worthless piece of human garbage.
Tragedy and hardship often bring out the best in people. In others it
shows their true colors. If your mother is a decent human being, then
you miust be breaking her heart. She has to be so ashamed of you. Even
the right wing conservatives, you seem to embrace have no use for you.
Those like you, are truly an embarrassment to the United States.
Gooserider said:No, Claire, because it's what they've always done. Have you ever BEEN
to the projects in New Orleans? I have. They have been systematically
destroyed by their residents. It's easy to predict they will do the
same to anything they've been given. I grew up in south Louisiana, so
my frame of reference is just a tiny bit more accurate than yours in
the pristine Northwest.
TomCAt said:Yo, Jeff ............. how many of the unemployed from New Orleans are
living in your house?
Have you ever been to any of the housing projects in New Orleans? Do
you know about the school system in New Orleans.
The embarrassment is that stupid people like you will pretend that
you care when what you want is the government to take my tax money
and support people who don't want to work, go to school, or in any
way take care of themselves.
Do you know what the out of wedlock birth rate is among the Black
citizens of New Orleans?
70%
Bill Sornson said:Someone sent me the following (offered w/o comment), which seems pertinent
to this discussion:
TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005
By Robert Tracinski
It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to figure out
how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it
has also taken me four long days to figure out what is going on there. The
reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are
confronting a natural disaster.
If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is
obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to
evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the
flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural
disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people
pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors,
nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.
Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do
is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are
suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists--myself included--did not
expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about
rape, murder, and looting.
But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.
The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by
federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane
Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has
gotten the story wrong.
The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen
over the past four days. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane
Katrina merely exposed it to public view.
The man-made disaster is the welfare state.
For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be
confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an
emergency--indeed; they were not behaving as they have behaved in other
emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying
that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what
we expect from a Third World country.
When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They
work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to
keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an
enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than
waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a
hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had
gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as
impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large
ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).
So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?
To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a
description from a Washington Times story:
"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives
and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and
rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.
"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in
to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire....
"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas
National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders.
"'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets," she
said. "They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know
how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary
and I expect they will."
The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article
shows National Guard troops, with rifles and armored vests, riding on an
armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid,
listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly
like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.
What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an
orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm
the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to
drive away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the
doctors trying to treat patients at the Super Dome?
Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further
destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them?
My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a
sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage last night on Fox News
Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied
architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the
South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of
the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects," as
they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable
squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.)
What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of
the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"--the informational
phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels--gave some
vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans
had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of the 300,000 or so who
remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects. Jack
Wakeland then gave me an additional, crucial fact: early reports from CNN
and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the
prisoners in the city's jails--so they just let many of them loose. There is
no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a
large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects,
and vice versa.
There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the
deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two
groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over
decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The
welfare wards were a mass of sheep--on whom the incompetent administration
of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.
All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent incompetence of the
city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city,
despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city corrupted
by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of
handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters--not to
ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.
No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some
are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for
failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an
adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from the
Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on
American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos
was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.
What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the
welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is
behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the
responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a
disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the
difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the
government hasn't taken care of them. They don't use the chaos of a disaster
as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.
But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving
their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do
they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are
going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do
they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way
of life for them.
The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and
encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that
has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.
Source: TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005
TomCAt said:=================================================================================
Morale on the police force is in tatters. About 500 officers - a
third of the force and far more than previously estimated - have
dropped out of the daily lineup. Some of them may still be in houses
cut off by the storm or may have simply gone off to help their
families and will eventually return. But most of the missing officers
have either told their superiors that they were quitting or simply
walked off the job.
Great, the city of New Orleans..... what a fucking stink hole.
Bill Sornson said:Someone sent me the following (offered w/o comment), which seems pertinent
to this discussion:
TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005
By Robert Tracinski
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