Will they ever come out with a 5-speed automatic WRX??

Discussion in 'Subaru Impreza' started by Greg, Aug 5, 2003.

  1. Greg

    Greg Guest

    I drive with 2 feet in cars that have auto transmissions thus I wouldn't
    buy a manual trans car. I like and would probably buy a WRX if they
    offered a 5-speed auto trans -- I can still shift gears manually minus
    the clutch. What do others think of a WRX automatic? I can't be the
    only one who prefers an automatic over a manual -- could I? Just a
    thought. I really do like the WRX -- I currently own a '91 Eagle Talon
    turbo (mitsubishi engine 4g63 -- same as the new lancer evolution) and
    my '91 is ,well, you can probably guess what trans I got in there,
    that's right, an AUTOMATIC and don't laugh too hard 'cause I know of a
    guy who runs an 11.9 1/4 mi. @ 125 mph, stock crank, rods, and pistons
    -- beefed up trans of course (4-speed) no nitrous and its a daily
    driver! '91 talon 2.0L. Now, even though I own a close relative of
    the EVO and stock the EVO IS a bit quicker than the WRX, I would still
    buy the WRX over the EVO even if the price was the same because I've
    driven several subarus lately and I'm very impressed with how they soak
    up city (NYC) potholes and how they handle on smooth tarmac. So far
    I've driven the outback, legacy, and I forgot the name of the other
    model but was very impressed with the driveabiity of these cars
    whatever the road conditions and if the WRX has the ability to even come
    close to driving on less than perfect terrain as these other subies do
    -- then I'm already sold on this car because the performance numbers are
    excellent and any mods I would do would just be GRAVY!

    'ADMIRING that WRX' -- Greg
     
    Greg, Aug 5, 2003
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  2. Why ruin a good car with an automatic transmission? ;-)

    Cheers,
    Phil
     
    Phillip Weston, Aug 5, 2003
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  3. Greg

    JaySee Guest

    Subaru's not a fan of the auto-shifters. I don't think they put
    buttons to shift or a manumatic lever on their automatics. If they
    do, they certainly don't advertise it. In other words, I doubt a
    5-speed auto anytime soon.

    Question: Why would you use 2 feet for an automatic transmission other
    than to launch 0-60 or quarter miles?
     
    JaySee, Aug 5, 2003
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  4. Greg

    someone Guest

    To get on/off the gas/brake faster. You can do it more quickly using both
    feet than moving one foot from one pedal to the other.
     
    someone, Aug 5, 2003
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  5. Greg

    Orienteer Guest

    There is a new auto 5 speed on the upcoming Legacy model.
     
    Orienteer, Aug 6, 2003
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  6. Greg

    Ian Firth Guest

    Learn to drive correctly.
     
    Ian Firth, Aug 6, 2003
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  7. Greg

    Ken Gilbert Guest

    also, for the same reason one would left-foot brake in a MT car... to
    keep the turbo spooled up by working against the load of the brakes.
    this is generally done in the start/middle of a corner.

    ken
     
    Ken Gilbert, Aug 6, 2003
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  8. Greg

    Alan Dana Guest

    It would be nice if Subaru would offer a 5-spd autostick, like those offered
    by Acura, Mazda, Volkswagen, Audi, and more. These are still fun to drive,
    while allowing the manual-shift-challenged to still take them for a spin.

    I don't have a lot of hope for this happening anytime soon. Automatic
    transmissions are a weakness for Subaru. Even the current 4 speeds are
    poorly implemented, if you look at performance time differences between
    manual and automatic, the gaps for Subaru are much wider than for many other
    cars. They tend to be very slow on downshifting to a lower gear when trying
    to pass.

    So they are late to the game on standard 5 speeds, even later on autosticks,
    and trailing the pack on 4 speed performance.

    Alan
     
    Alan Dana, Aug 6, 2003
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  9. Greg

    Ian Firth Guest

    So as you're slowing the car, and accelerating at the same time, where
    does the energy dissipate ?

    You can't rev the engine in gear as you are decelerating unless the
    clucth is slipping.
     
    Ian Firth, Aug 7, 2003
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  10. Greg

    Ken Gilbert Guest

    ian, the car is still moving at this point. you're slowing down, but
    the engine is still rotating, right? the drivetrain is solidly locked
    with no slippage.

    you're working the brakes extra hard, since they're not only slowing
    down the car, but also working against the power of the engine. but
    it keeps exhaust gasses hot and flowing, which is what the turbo likes
    to see to remain spooled.

    ken
     
    Ken Gilbert, Aug 7, 2003
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  11. Greg

    Ian Firth Guest

    Yes, which is why if the engine RPMs increase, so will the vehicle
    speed.
    Sorry. It can't possibly work that way.

    If a car is decelerating (entire drivetrain slowing down), the engine
    RPM cannot increase (as the original poster stated, keeping the turbo
    spooled), without the clutch slipping, being engaged, or the car not
    being in gear.
     
    Ian Firth, Aug 8, 2003
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  12. Greg

    Ian Firth Guest

    That makes sense, but doesn't sound like what the guy above was
    explaining.
     
    Ian Firth, Aug 8, 2003
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  13. To put it simply, because you are putting more fuel and air into the engine,
    more exhaust is produced, which keeps the turbo spinning, even though the
    engine is still reving at the same rate, because you have the brakes on (to
    stop from flying off the corner!).
     
    Dominic Richens, Aug 8, 2003
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  14. Greg

    Ken Gilbert Guest

    ian, who the hell said anything about engine rpms increasing? it
    surely wasn't me, or anybody in the thread leading up to my posts. i
    said you left-foot brake to keep the TURBO SPOOLED.
    see comment above, and go back and read my posts. engine rpms are
    either steady or decreasing while left-foot braking under throttle.
    you are not accelerating, or trying to accelerate--you are getting
    ready to.

    this isn't rocket science!

    ken gilbert
     
    Ken Gilbert, Aug 12, 2003
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  15. Ian, think of this scenario, 'lugging' the engine up a grade in X gear
    at Q RPM versus a flat run in X gear at Q rpm. You need more throttle to
    do the former. This creates more heat and more exhaust. The 'racer' is
    effectively 'lugging' the engine around the corner. I never considered
    this before, not being a racer and having never owned a turbo equipped
    car - but it does make sense to me now. I wonder if a capacitive
    discharge powered electric drive or some other type of 'intermittent
    use' motor could be used to maintain turbo RPMs in these conditions?
    fun to think about

    Carl
    1 Lucky Texan
     
    Carl 1 Lucky Texan, Aug 13, 2003
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