Legacy Turbo gearchange question

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Timo Geusch

Test-drove my first Legacy Turbo today. High mileage (185k+) but
looked and sounded OK apart from the noisy exhaust the previous owner
had fitted - given its reputation as a Q-car I didn't think it is
particularly sensible to stick a loud exhaust on it.

Anyway, one thing I noticed on the test drive was that the gearlever
felt rather vague - much like the one on an Alfa 75, which has a
transaxle and you're stirring gears via a 3 foot rod. Is this normal
or does the gearchange mechanism suffer somewhat in old age?
 
My '92 Legacy Turbo has 180,000 miles on it, and the gearbox isn't
sloppy at all. They're never going to be "rifle-bolt" slick, but you
should find a tidy, positive action that allows for smooth changes.

How much was the seller asking for the car?

David Hills
'92 Legacy Turbo
'99 GTB


On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:10:38 +0100, Timo Geusch

| Test-drove my first Legacy Turbo today. High mileage (185k+) but
| looked and sounded OK apart from the noisy exhaust the previous owner
| had fitted - given its reputation as a Q-car I didn't think it is
| particularly sensible to stick a loud exhaust on it.
|
| Anyway, one thing I noticed on the test drive was that the gearlever
| felt rather vague - much like the one on an Alfa 75, which has a
| transaxle and you're stirring gears via a 3 foot rod. Is this normal
| or does the gearchange mechanism suffer somewhat in old age?
 
David Hills was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
My '92 Legacy Turbo has 180,000 miles on it, and the gearbox isn't
sloppy at all. They're never going to be "rifle-bolt" slick, but you
should find a tidy, positive action that allows for smooth changes.

Hmm. Didn't feel like this to me - I wouldn't call the action 'tidy'.
How much was the seller asking for the car?

2.6k, which I think is somewhat off given that the car supposedly has
FSH, but with a 50k hole in it. I think I'll give that a miss...
 
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 06:25:01 +0100, Timo Geusch


| > How much was the seller asking for the car?
|
| 2.6k, which I think is somewhat off given that the car supposedly has
| FSH, but with a 50k hole in it. I think I'll give that a miss...

Good grief. How old was the car? Was it an estate or saloon? That
seems very steep if it's an original single turbo car. I paid only
£200 more for mine four years ago with 128000 miles on it.

David Hills
'92 Legacy Turbo
'99 GTB
 
David Hills was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 06:25:01 +0100, Timo Geusch


| > How much was the seller asking for the car?
|
| 2.6k, which I think is somewhat off given that the car supposedly has
| FSH, but with a 50k hole in it. I think I'll give that a miss...

Good grief. How old was the car? Was it an estate or saloon? That
seems very steep if it's an original single turbo car. I paid only
£200 more for mine four years ago with 128000 miles on it.

Single-turbo estate, supposedly modified to "280bhp, because I know
that's what they do". Yeah right...
 
I think you're right, there. Barge pole time.

Is it the estate you want, or will a saloon do?

David

| > Good grief. How old was the car? Was it an estate or saloon? That
| > seems very steep if it's an original single turbo car. I paid only
| > £200 more for mine four years ago with 128000 miles on it.
|
| Single-turbo estate, supposedly modified to "280bhp, because I know
| that's what they do". Yeah right...
 
A good saloon would do nicely. I was looking at the estate mostly
because it is easier to find and of course the added luggage capacity
can come in handy.
 
On 21 Sep 2004 04:14:29 -0700, "Timo At Work" <(e-mail address removed)>
wrote:

| A good saloon would do nicely. I was looking at the estate mostly
| because it is easier to find and of course the added luggage capacity
| can come in handy.

You're right, estates are easier to find; they're also pricier than
saloons.

The Legacy Turbo didn't used to attract the racer types (they went for
the Impreza) but a lot of cars have fallen into the hands of fourth or
fifth owners who have "uprated them to 280bhp because I know that's
what they do".

I'm going to be putting my own car up for sale in a couple of weeks,
but I promise not to put the hard sell on :)

David
'92 Legacy Turbo
'99 GTB
 
David Hills was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
On 21 Sep 2004 04:14:29 -0700, "Timo At Work" <(e-mail address removed)>
wrote:

| A good saloon would do nicely. I was looking at the estate mostly
| because it is easier to find and of course the added luggage capacity
| can come in handy.

You're right, estates are easier to find; they're also pricier than
saloons.

Well, they are somewhat more practical...
The Legacy Turbo didn't used to attract the racer types (they went for
the Impreza) but a lot of cars have fallen into the hands of fourth or
fifth owners who have "uprated them to 280bhp because I know that's
what they do".

And that kinda puts me off a bit, TBH. I *may* try to get a later twin
turbo instead, preferably straight off the boat from Japan via a
reputable importer[1].
I'm going to be putting my own car up for sale in a couple of weeks,
but I promise not to put the hard sell on :)

Come on, gissa some clue!

[1] Hmmm. Oxymoron alert?
 
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:12:53 +0100, Timo Geusch

| > The Legacy Turbo didn't used to attract the racer types (they went for
| > the Impreza) but a lot of cars have fallen into the hands of fourth or
| > fifth owners who have "uprated them to 280bhp because I know that's
| > what they do".
|
| And that kinda puts me off a bit, TBH. I *may* try to get a later twin
| turbo instead, preferably straight off the boat from Japan via a
| reputable importer[1].
|

I know what you mean. With these cars I think it's important to go for
one that's not been fiddled with too much.

With the GTB I bought a few weeks ago, I went for one that had been
imported new, so that I could see (and understand) a service history.
Since the twin-turbos have never been an officially imported car, the
only people who buy them are those who know what they're after, and I
think they tend to attract a few more of the nutters. Certainly, I
came across a lot of cars that were on a second engine after only 60k
miles or so. Not a good sign.

At the top end of the market, David Hendry (http://www.dhcars.co.uk/)
carry some good cars, but you pay for it (*very* nearly bought a new
one from them back in April, and then sanity returned). A lot of the
"specialists" seem to speak a load of flannel, which didn't give me a
great deal of confidence, so I ended up buying privately, a 97000
miler which I'm hoping gets through its first service without too much
wailing and gnashing of teeth. I wasn't intending to buy a GTB with
that many miles on, but it had done most of them as a company
director's car in the first two years of its life, so must have been a
motorway car, and the price was right.

I can see pros and cons for the early single turbo against the later
cars. The later ones are quite a bit quicker, but are more highly
stressed and less relaxed on the motorway due to the lower gearing.
They handle better, but have a harder ride. They've got more toys but
are harder to get serviced and much more expensive to insure (more
than twice the cost for me) and less economical (but we don't buy
these cars for their fuel economy, do we?).

If I thought I could get away with it, I'd keep both my Subarus, but
my wife has pointed out that since we already have a Jensen, a Mini
and a Renault, two Subarus is more than we really need. Ho hum.

| > I'm going to be putting my own car up for sale in a couple of weeks,
| > but I promise not to put the hard sell on :)
|
| Come on, gissa some clue!
|
It's a saloon, Red Mica, registered May '92 and of course a UK car. I
bought it in February 2000 from a retired engineer who had owned it
from new and driven all over Europe, racking up the 128,000 miles it
had reached when I got it.

It's experienced each of the niggling things that the single turbo
Legacy always seems to get - leaky sunroof (sometimes get a wet
seatbelt), juddery brakes (solved this by replacing front calipers,
discs and pads), and noisy tappets (never solved it entirely).

Since I've had it, I've replaced oil and water pumps and cambelt as
precautionary items; the steering rack, back exhaust section and a
shock absorber were replaced last year. The rest of the exhaust is
original (they seem to last forever) and the new section is genuine
Subaru.

The car has done quite a few miles with me, and so far this year has
done trips to the Orkneys, North Yorkshire and numerous trips to Wales
(we're relocating to South Wales from Petersfield in Hampshire later
this month). It's never missed a beat, and spends most of its time on
the motorway.

It went through its MOT in July needing only a replacement tyre, and
since all four had over 45000 miles on them, I got a full set of
Goodyear Eagle F1s. Since then, I've only done about 200 miles in it,
as the newer car is taking the load.

There's no rust that I can see. The paintwork is fine for a 1992 car,
with a couple of tiny car park dings. The paint has faded and flaked a
little on the plastic rear spoiler and the bonnet scoop. Other faults
- the bootlid seal could probably do with replacing, and the previous
owner fitted a circulation fan on the passenger side of the fascia,
which has left a couple of screw holes. There is a mark above the sun
visor on the driver's side. The electric aerial was snapped by a kind
student at the school where I work.

It's a non-aircon car.

The previous owner fitted a couple of Recaros (nothing fancy, out of a
Manta GTE, I think) which I replaced with some nearly new Recaro
Comforts that I'd inherited. Since these are probably worth as much as
the car, I will be putting the previous Recaros back in. They were
fine, perfectly okay for the job, with no rips or tears, and much much
better than the original Subaru seats (which are in my loft).

Work it will need in future -
- The clutch was replaced at around 108,000 miles, if I recall
correctly. Although most of my miles have been on the motorway, I
can't imagine it's got that long to go before it needs doing again.
- The rear brake discs have not ever been replaced, so I would imagine
that they will need doing sometime soon.

I intend to put the car through a service at my local Subaru dealer
before putting it up for sale, so that I know it's okay. I'm going to
see how the new GTB fares in its service first (if it looks like I've
bought a wrong 'un, i might keep the older car).

Phew, that's the most I've written in a long time!

David Hills
'92 Legacy Turbo
'99 GTB
 
David Hills was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
I know what you mean. With these cars I think it's important to go for
one that's not been fiddled with too much.

Especially because there seem to be a few people out there who just
blindly bolt on bits without known what they're doing.
I can see pros and cons for the early single turbo against the later
cars. The later ones are quite a bit quicker, but are more highly
stressed and less relaxed on the motorway due to the lower gearing.
Hmmm.

They handle better, but have a harder ride. They've got more toys but
are harder to get serviced and much more expensive to insure (more
than twice the cost for me) and less economical (but we don't buy
these cars for their fuel economy, do we?).

No, not really...
I intend to put the car through a service at my local Subaru dealer
before putting it up for sale, so that I know it's okay. I'm going to
see how the new GTB fares in its service first (if it looks like I've
bought a wrong 'un, i might keep the older car).

<snippo>

Sounds good to me, I may well be interested. Let me know which way you
decide, although I was really hoping to find a car before mid-October
because that's when I'd need one.
 
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:08:16 +0100, Timo Geusch


| Sounds good to me, I may well be interested. Let me know which way you
| decide, although I was really hoping to find a car before mid-October
| because that's when I'd need one.

The GTB's now booked in for 6th October, so that'll be the day of
decision for the older car. I'll drop you a line if I decide to
sell... ;-)

David
'92 Legacy Turbo
'99 GTB
 
David Hills was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:08:16 +0100, Timo Geusch


| Sounds good to me, I may well be interested. Let me know which way you
| decide, although I was really hoping to find a car before mid-October
| because that's when I'd need one.

The GTB's now booked in for 6th October, so that'll be the day of
decision for the older car. I'll drop you a line if I decide to
sell... ;-)

Sounds good - email address in the headers is valid (but heavily
spamtrapped)
 

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