2001 Subaru Outback question

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stonej

When the car starts up it takes about a minute for the radio and the
windshield wipers to start working, any ideas
why this would be? I'm thinking maybe the battery is old and needs
replacing.
 
When the car starts up it takes about a minute for the radio and the
windshield wipers to start working, any ideas
why this would be? I'm thinking maybe the battery is old and needs
replacing.

I don't know this car in particular, but I'd be looking for a bad ground,
a sticking relay or a switch (ignition) that's not operating properly.

New cars ("New" meaning 1998 and newer) have more intregrated electronics,
so I'd bet a "module" is causing the problem.

Radio should not need any kind of 'warm up'. Motorola got out of the
business a long time ago! :)
 
Any idea on how a bad ground, sticking relay or switch that is not
operating properly would
cost to fix? Is this something that should be done by a Subaru
dealer or would most auto repair
places be able to deal with it?
 
Any idea on how a bad ground, sticking relay or switch that is not
operating properly would
cost to fix? Is this something that should be done by a Subaru
dealer or would most auto repair
places be able to deal with it?


Well, I'd start hunting it down myself. Electricals can be FUN (yeah,
right...) and it could take hours, unless you find someone who's
encountered it before.

If you have a DECENT S00b dealer in your area, or an independant S00b
garage (there are two real good ones around here) you might be able to
pick a brain at one and get a hint.

Obviously, it's something common to both circuits!
 
Here are the schematics for the audio and front wiper systems, power and
ground distribution.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/33330380/2001 Radio Wiper.zip

Perhaps someone can used them to find the common items between the two
systems and troubleshoot your problem

Good luck,

AS




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I actually enjoy looking at wiring diagrams, so I took a gander for
you. Here is what I noticed:

Looking on the power distribution file, page WI-20 and 21 show that
the loads we are interested in are FB30 and FB31. If you then go to
page WI-19, you will see at the bottom of the fuse and relay box, they
both sit side by side. If you go above the box, you'll see that they
are both fed by E7. I am not sure what E7 is, but it's probably a pin
designtioin on the box. I think there is a wire coming off of this
that might be yellow (because of the Y on the diagram). However,
something important to notice is it looks as though that wire quickly
traces back to the accessory side of the ignition switch. The loads
off of the accessory side are FB28, 29, 30, 31, and 38. These are all
located in the chart on pages WI-20 and 21. The wire splits off
between the ignition switch and E7 to also go to a fuse that feeds
FB38, which is your rear wiper. So you can isolate the fault a little
bit to just E7, or the stretchof wire feeding it if the rear wiper
works when the font wiper is not working. If it also doesn't work,
then the fault is before that split. It might be in the ignition
switch. Perhaps it isn't making a good connection when in the on
position, but after a bit of vibration from driving, it connects. I
don't know. P{erhaps a swift smack on the steering column if it
doesn't work. If that does produce a working wiper and radio, it might
be the switch. But hopefully this helps more than it confuses.

Bill
 
E7 is the terminal in position 7 of the connector E (or B158), as shown
at the bottom of the page. These connectors are located at the bottom
of the fuse box. It is possible that the connectors need to be
disconnected and put back in place for the problem to be solved.

Good luck,

AS
 
I actually enjoy looking at wiring diagrams, so I took a gander for
you. Here is what I noticed:

Looking on the power distribution file, page WI-20 and 21 show that
the loads we are interested in are FB30 and FB31. If you then go to
page WI-19, you will see at the bottom of the fuse and relay box, they
both sit side by side. If you go above the box, you'll see that they
are both fed by E7. I am not sure what E7 is, but it's probably a pin
designtioin on the box. I think there is a wire coming off of this
that might be yellow (because of the Y on the diagram). However,
something important to notice is it looks as though that wire quickly
traces back to the accessory side of the ignition switch. The loads
off of the accessory side are FB28, 29, 30, 31, and 38. These are all
located in the chart on pages WI-20 and 21. The wire splits off
between the ignition switch and E7 to also go to a fuse that feeds
FB38, which is your rear wiper. So you can isolate the fault a little
bit to just E7, or the stretchof wire feeding it if the rear wiper
works when the font wiper is not working. If it also doesn't work,
then the fault is before that split. It might be in the ignition
switch. Perhaps it isn't making a good connection when in the on
position, but after a bit of vibration from driving, it connects. I
don't know. P{erhaps a swift smack on the steering column if it
doesn't work. If that does produce a working wiper and radio, it might
be the switch. But hopefully this helps more than it confuses.

Bill


It also shows that they are grounded in the same place...
 
It also shows that they are grounded in the same place...

I'd say that's a 98% "Bingo". Good catch!

S' funny... I've found more grounding problems with S00bs than on any
other make of car (excepting Brit cars w/ Lucas "Prince of Darkness"
Electrics and SaltBelt hulks). I can't see why, the harness lugs and the
body grounding screws all appear normal, and Soob usually put's some
decent stipplind in the sheetmetal "ground pads". Maybe it's something
to do with the (much) improved rust treatment they use now.

--
"Shit this is it, all the pieces do fit.
We're like that crazy old man jumping
out of the alleyway with a baseball bat,
saying, "Remember me motherfucker?"
Jim “Dandy” Mangrum
 
I'd say that's a 98% "Bingo". Good catch!

S' funny... I've found more grounding problems with S00bs than on any
other make of car (excepting Brit cars w/ Lucas "Prince of Darkness"
Electrics and SaltBelt hulks). I can't see why, the harness lugs and the
body grounding screws all appear normal, and Soob usually put's some
decent stipplind in the sheetmetal "ground pads". Maybe it's something
to do with the (much) improved rust treatment they use now.


I had a Toyota that had three bulbs in the taillight, and what looked like
an aluminum strip providing the grounding. Whenever they got wet, no brake
lights or turn signals (funny, it was a Jap car, and used the brake lights
as the turn signals. Very unusual, unless it was a "modification" for
North America...)
 
I'd say that's a 98% "Bingo". Good catch!

S' funny... I've found more grounding problems with S00bs than on any
other make of car (excepting Brit cars w/ Lucas "Prince of Darkness"
Electrics and SaltBelt hulks). I can't see why, the harness lugs and the
body grounding screws all appear normal, and Soob usually put's some
decent stipplind in the sheetmetal "ground pads". Maybe it's something
to do with the (much) improved rust treatment they use now.

LOL!

http://sitikus.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/toyota-vintage-ad-were-quality-oriented.jpg

The lighter was under a cover on the dash.
 

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