1998 Subaru Legacy Outback Legacy won't start when hot

Discussion in 'Subaru Legacy' started by Tony Jurado, Mar 30, 2009.

  1. Tony Jurado

    Tony Jurado Guest

    My 98' Outback Legacy won't start (intermittently) when it's been
    running for a while or if it's is hot outside (above 75 deg). The car
    won't even crank--just a click sound. Usually if I wait about 20 mins
    it will start just fine. All electrical devices in the car work--
    stereo, headlights, horn, radio, etc. It will ALWAYS start if I have
    someone jump the car.

    So...I replaced the battery and it still won't start on occasion. Any
    ideas?
     
    Tony Jurado, Mar 30, 2009
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  2. hmmm...I think some 'older' soobs had crank angle sensors that would
    become intermittent with temp.

    dunno about '98 and dunno if a CEL would be generated.


    Carl
     
    Carl 1 Lucky Texan, Mar 30, 2009
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  3. Tony Jurado

    johninky Guest

    Always a good idea to first verify the battery cables are clean, not
    corroded and tight on the battery posts. But the problem sounds like
    a starter solenoid going bad and/or the brushes inside the starter
    motor are worn.
     
    johninky, Mar 31, 2009
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  4. Ahh, you're right. It doesn't crank!

    Tony, carry a length of 2x4 or similar with you, next time the problem
    occurs, strike (more than a tap, less than BASH) the starter and try
    again. Also, try wiggling the starter cables. If either of those things
    work, should point you in the right direction. (solenoid contacts likely)

    Carl
     
    Carl 1 Lucky Texan, Mar 31, 2009
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  5. Tony Jurado

    S.Hansen Guest

    If it clicks and doesn't start it's the starter.
    A little known seceret: SOME sub's have a rebuildable starter. If it has
    been replaced in the past your probably out of luck. look at the solenoid,
    if it has the ability to remove the end cap by screws or nuts than you can
    rebuild it.

    Go to the dealership and ask for the starter rebuild parts (I don't know
    what the exact name is for them) they are the two wire lugs that go into and
    out of the solenoid. (can't be too expensive)
    Remove the starter
    Remove the end cap
    under this is a copper "mushroom" shaped piece
    Replace the two wire lug parts. The solenoid action pulls the mushroom piece
    and joins the two lugs; the arc over time and wear out.
    On the mushroom piece, look at the "lip" and clean the arcing off of it.
    Reassemble and install starter.


    I have not yet figured out what subies use the rebuildable starters and what
    ones do not....

    Steve
     
    S.Hansen, Mar 31, 2009
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  6. Tony Jurado

    weelliott Guest

    Just for the record, the starter is on top of the bellhousing on the
    drivers side. It is easily accessible from the top of the engine
    without crawling under the car. So a rubber mallet or deadblow hammer
    might work for persuading the solenoid to engage. Also looking at it
    to assess the rebuildableness of it shouldn't be too hard.

    I love how subaru makes these cars easy to work on. All the engine
    accessories they could stick on top are there for easy access. I don't
    even have to lay under the car to take off my oil filter. I just get
    down on one knee and reach under the front bumper. Brilliant designs.

    Bill
     
    weelliott, Mar 31, 2009
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  7. This is common with older Toyotas, the contacts wear down. Even before I
    knew much about cars I became familiar with this condition! Kind of an
    easy fix, depending on where the motor is located...
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Mar 31, 2009
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  8. I have a Supra I'll sell cheap! ;)

    Probably the worst car I've ever owned for making repairs. And one of the
    cars I've owned that needed them. When I worked at a Toyota dealer one of
    the older mechanics said, "You have one of THOSE? That car's going to
    nickle and dime you..."

    Shoot, they could at least have made it easy to work on!!!

    But, your point taken, I have noticed the two Suby's I have are pretty
    easy to work on!

    I'll have to try to find an SVX...
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Mar 31, 2009
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  9. Tony Jurado

    S.Hansen Guest

    Are you freaking crazy!
     
    S.Hansen, Apr 1, 2009
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  10. How come?!?! What's the deal with those. I wanted one when they came out
    in the early 90's.

    There's one in town that looks pretty good and seems to run well.

    So, what's the deal with the SVX?

    I have a Supra...can't be too much worse than that! (I got the *LAST*
    Trans cooler line in the WORLD shipped from a dealer in Japan...)

    Or, a Mitsubishi 3000GT. Call me a glutton for punishment... ;)

    Oh, BTW, yes, I *AM* crazy!!! ;p
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Apr 1, 2009
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  11. Tony Jurado

    S.Hansen Guest

    Overall an increadable car for its time, infact most say it was ahead of
    it's time. Didn't sell well because not many wanted to pay 30,000 for a car
    back then. Remember, when it came out subaru was known as a "Affordable" car
    company
    The 6 cylinder engine runs 2 timing belts. Very tight fit, Car is heavy
    Very difficult to get plugs out. Coilovers, are interchangable from left to
    right, but not to the cylinder next to it. difficult to get them unplugged!

    All the techs run from a SVX when it comes in-- that should tell you
    something...
    ;)

    Steve
     
    S.Hansen, Apr 1, 2009
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  12. Transmission issues too IIRC. Still, they have a strong following.


    Carl
     
    Carl 1 Lucky Texan, Apr 1, 2009
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  13. I have the original sticker from my '88 Supra. It was $33K!!
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Apr 1, 2009
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  14. Pretty cool looking car, and a lot of innovation. And AWD to boot.
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Apr 1, 2009
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