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This is not to rub it in, but I'm truly curious how do you like the
gear change process on your
late model subarus? Bonus points if you had a stick shift honda, older
subaru with a manual
at some point, or, better yet some sort of a slick 6sp, so you have
the proper background for comparison.
 
This is not to rub it in, but I'm truly curious how do you like the
gear change process on your
late model subarus? Bonus points if you had a stick shift honda, older
subaru with a manual
at some point, or, better yet some sort of a slick 6sp, so you have
the proper background for comparison.

My 06 WRX (is that considered late model now?) is much better than my
'69 SRL-311 Fairlady was, about the same or slightly better than my
'81 Civic wagon was. I really like the short throw too but some folks
may not. I recently switched from factory lube to Redline Lightweight
Shockproof synth. No noticeable difference in operation, perhaps
slightly less differential/gear noise. (I put the same lube in my
wife's outback's diffs, and the front diff got much quieter.)

Evidently, the 06es got a different first year synchronizer IIRC. But
I dunno what the previous ones felt like. Also, many people switch to
non-soob gear oil - sometimes even using a mix of lube oils to improve
the feel and synchronizer operation. (Uncle Scotty's 'cocktail' w'ever
over at NASIOC.)

Not very close to your exact question I know.
 
This is not to rub it in, but I'm truly curious how do you like the
gear change process on your
late model subarus? Bonus points if you had a stick shift honda, older
subaru with a manual
at some point, or, better yet some sort of a slick 6sp, so you have
the proper background for comparison.

**Well, I had a new 2003 Jetta 1.8t and it shifted horribly. A second
gear that crunched all the time (from the very beginning), hard to
find the gates, and just not a nice feel at all. I thought it was me
because I had learned to drive stick on it. And, since I could drive
stick finally, I was able drive my sister's 2001 BMW wagon and, sweet
jebus, it was soooo wonderful. Snick snick snick, shifting it was a
thing of beauty. I then understood that it wasn't me, it was the
vehicle.

I purchased a new 2005 Impreza (basic) and it shifted superbly. Loved
it! Clean shifts, nice and grippy and I just loved the whole set up.
(I honestly wish that I still had it.) I now have a 2008 Impreza
(basic) and I have to rate it a notch below the 2005. The few changes
to the gearing and drive train took away a lot of the *fun* of the
2005 and it just doesn't shift as cleanly as the previous Impreza.
Don't get me wrong, however, it's still very nice and everything but
it's become a bit milquetoasty now. Quality, all around and especially
the interior, seems to be just a bit lower in this particular
incarnation of Impreza.

In October, the car goes off-lease and I have to make a decision as to
whether buy/lease another Subaru or possibly another make.

kaboomie
 
My 06 WRX (is that considered late model now?) is much better than my
'69 SRL-311 Fairlady was, about the same or slightly better than my
'81 Civic wagon was. I really like the short throw too but some folks
may not. I recently switched from factory lube to Redline Lightweight
Shockproof synth. No noticeable difference in operation, perhaps
slightly less differential/gear noise. (I put the same lube in my
wife's outback's diffs, and the front diff got much quieter.)

Evidently, the 06es got a different first year synchronizer IIRC. But
I dunno what the previous ones felt like. Also, many people switch to
non-soob gear oil - sometimes even using a mix of lube oils to improve
the feel and synchronizer operation. (Uncle Scotty's 'cocktail' w'ever
over at NASIOC.)

Not very close to your exact question I know.

Still, interesting to see how people work around the "undesirable
normal" problem
that subaru should've had in the pipe for a long time. It would be
interesting to
hear your impressions of the basic impreza (manual) if you get a
chance
to drive one.

I take it the outback is the automatic and you put the gear oil just
in the center diff?
 
**Well, I had a new 2003 Jetta 1.8t and it shifted horribly. A second
gear that crunched all the time (from the very beginning), hard to
find the gates, and just not a nice feel at all. I thought it was me
because I had learned to drive stick on it. And, since I could drive
stick finally, I was able drive my sister's 2001 BMW wagon and, sweet
jebus, it was soooo wonderful. Snick snick snick, shifting it was a
thing of beauty. I then understood that it wasn't me, it was the
vehicle.

I purchased a new 2005 Impreza (basic) and it shifted superbly. Loved
it! Clean shifts, nice and grippy and I just loved the whole set up.
(I honestly wish that I still had it.) I now have a 2008 Impreza
(basic) and I have to rate it a notch below the 2005. The few changes
to the gearing and drive train took away a lot of the *fun* of the
2005 and it just doesn't shift as cleanly as the previous Impreza.
Don't get me wrong, however, it's still very nice and everything but
it's become a bit milquetoasty now. Quality, all around and especially
the interior, seems to be just a bit lower in this particular
incarnation of Impreza.

In October, the car goes off-lease and I have to make a decision as to
whether buy/lease another Subaru or possibly another make.

kaboomie

If you stay with subaru new basic 2.0 impreza should have a thinner
bore and longer
stroke and thusly less of the dreaded inertia of the 2.5 liter pig
that powers normally aspirated impreza for US of A.
 
My 06 WRX (is that considered late model now?) is much better than my
'69 SRL-311 Fairlady was, about the same or slightly better than my
'81 Civic wagon was. I really like the short throw too but some folks
may not. I recently switched from factory lube to Redline Lightweight
Shockproof synth. No noticeable difference in operation, perhaps
slightly less differential/gear noise. (I put the same lube in my
wife's outback's diffs, and the front diff got much quieter.)

Evidently, the 06es got a different first year synchronizer IIRC. But
I dunno what the previous ones felt like. Also, many people switch to
non-soob gear oil - sometimes even using a mix of lube oils to improve
the feel and synchronizer operation. (Uncle Scotty's 'cocktail' w'ever
over at NASIOC.)

Not very close to your exact question I know.

I don't know about your SRL (R20 engine) but my SPL (R16 engine) had, quite
literally, a truck transmission. Specifically, Nissan needed something for
the line and decided that the tranny from the Miler pickup would probably work.

So far, I've found that the 6-speed in my MX-5 is the slickest tranny I've
tried -- it might be possible to fine tune the shifts with lubricant
changes or something but it is hard to imagine how.
 
Still, interesting to see how people work around the "undesirable
normal" problem
that subaru should've had in the pipe for a long time. It would be
interesting to
hear your impressions of the basic impreza (manual) if you get a
chance
to drive one.

I take it the outback is the automatic and you put the gear oil just
in the center diff?

Yeah, just the fron t and rear diffs on the OBW.

Keep in mind also, there are a lot of tuner types, true hobby racers
and street racing idiots - of all ages, modifying Soobs. There are a
ton of different shfter kits, upgraded shifter bushings, fluids, dog-
tooth gears, clutch/flywheel set-ups etc. After I experimented with
my seat position for/aft to solve clutch use weirdness, (I DO seem to
stall the car a coupla times a year)I never had any trouble shifting
my car as stock. I don't race, but have done 1 autox and 2 HDPEs,
never missed a shift up OR down. Sometimes I have trouble going into
reverse and a trip into the second gear slot helps with that. But
I've had that in every 5 speed I've owned. I do much of my own
maintenance and light repair work so, I put the 'saved' money into
OEM or better parts/fluids.

If you are deciding between a soob and another car, an issue unrelated
to transmissions is the Secondary Air Valves. While not unique to
Subaru, many people are reporting early failure of these valves (worse
in wet/humid parts of the country). If the other car you're
considering still has a front Catalytic converter - that might be a
point in its favor.
 
I don't know about your SRL (R20 engine) but my SPL (R16 engine) had, quite
literally, a truck transmission. Specifically, Nissan needed something for
the line and decided that the tranny from the Miler pickup would probablywork.

So far, I've found that the 6-speed in my MX-5 is the slickest tranny I've
tried -- it might be possible to fine tune the shifts with lubricant
changes or something but it is hard to imagine how.

Yeah, it def felt like a truck trying to get into first gear. Ugh. And
I often had to double clutch at other times. In all fairness, it may
have been abused before I got though.
 
Yeah, just the fron t and rear diffs on the OBW.

Keep in mind also, there are a lot of tuner types, true hobby racers
and street racing idiots - of all ages, modifying Soobs. There are a
ton of different shfter kits, upgraded shifter bushings, fluids, dog-
tooth gears, clutch/flywheel set-ups etc.  After I experimented with

That is one thing I don't miss much. No offence, but I somehow doubt I
could best
the car maker in this department and, realistically, few people could
do
much of an improvement to the drivetrain.
my seat position for/aft to solve clutch use weirdness, (I DO seem to

Hmm, subaru seating position was flawless as far as I remember.
A4 seat itself is better without weird seat cradle cutting into the
thighs
but seating position is kinda odd, I'm still adjusting. (the whole
5'10" of me)
stall the car a coupla times a year)I never had any trouble shifting
my car as stock. I don't race, but have done 1 autox and 2 HDPEs,
never missed a shift up OR down. Sometimes I have trouble going into
reverse and a trip into the second gear slot helps with that.  But

Despite the refinement of the gearbox of A4 I have the same problem
with reverse ->
sometimes I have to shift into a forward gear a few times before the
rear would engage.
I wonder if rears have synchros at all or I just screwed it by
switching to reverse once
while the car did not completely stop moving forward (subaru did not
mind
such an abuse though, as far as I remember, and I was worse at
shifting
back then, naturally)
I've had that in every 5 speed I've owned. I do much of my own
maintenance and light repair work so, I put the 'saved' money into
OEM or better parts/fluids.

I do not believe subies are as sensitive to the fluids as VWs.
VW engines are notoriously picky motor oil wise. I've never heard of a
picky
subaru engine. As for the parts I have blind trust in tirerack even
though
I never bought anything other than tires from them. Brake pads wise
they have a nifty rating system for various components of performance.
If you are deciding between a soob and another car, an issue unrelated
to transmissions is the Secondary Air Valves. While not unique to
Subaru, many people are reporting early failure of these valves (worse
in wet/humid parts of the country). If the other car you're
considering still has a front Catalytic converter - that might be a
point in its favor.

Subie is on hold now -> I have to find out how to avoid local morons
from testing brake performance
one axle at a time.

They use a contraption similar, for example, to the single axle dyno
featured at the end
of this video

except they spin the wheels slower to test the brakes: still, I assume
that's plenty to
create the windup in the differential and create torque bind.

To quote the technician "but but but we never heard a complaint in 7
years that we've been doing this"

Looks like lower tech luddite resistant setup on A4 works better for
me. The downside is that
given the recent [lack of] performance in dirt I won't be able to save
money by buying mid grade winter tires

I keep FT-86 somewhere in the back of my mind though, once it changes
the status from vaporware into the real things
and reviews pour in I might give subaru another try. Especially when/
if assymmetrical rwd biased awd layout filters
down into the other lines and understeer is eschewed for good.
 
**Well, I had a new 2003 Jetta 1.8t and it shifted horribly. A second
gear that crunched all the time (from the very beginning), hard to
find the gates, and just not a nice feel at all. I thought it was me
because I had learned to drive stick on it. And, since I could drive
stick finally, I was able drive my sister's 2001 BMW wagon and, sweet
jebus, it was soooo wonderful. Snick snick snick, shifting it was a
thing of beauty. I then understood that it wasn't me, it was the
vehicle.

I purchased a new 2005 Impreza (basic) and it shifted superbly. Loved
it! Clean shifts, nice and grippy and I just loved the whole set up.
(I honestly wish that I still had it.) I now have a 2008 Impreza
(basic) and I have to rate it a notch below the 2005. The few changes
to the gearing and drive train took away a lot of the *fun* of the
2005 and it just doesn't shift as cleanly as the previous Impreza.
Don't get me wrong, however, it's still very nice and everything but
it's become a bit milquetoasty now. Quality, all around and especially
the interior, seems to be just a bit lower in this particular
incarnation of Impreza.

In October, the car goes off-lease and I have to make a decision as to
whether buy/lease another Subaru or possibly another make.

kaboomie


Ya look at that Hyundai I pointed you to?
 
Ya look at that Hyundai I pointed you to?

**I don't recall the model that you mentioned. I was at Hyundai
yesterday and getting any of the new popular models (Elantra, Sonata)
is damn near impossible at this time. There's a shipment of 20
Elantras coming in and they're all sold.

The 2012 Imprezas sound interesting improvement-wise. The dealership
called me to talk about the end of the lease and I said, it's not up
until Oct. He seemed cheesed and said, Dang, they send these memos too
early. I'd like to know the pricing on the new models.

I also got to check out a Ford Fiesta courtesy of a really nice
customer of mine. She had a brand new candy apple Fiesta and it was
very nice if a little small. Great starter car.

kaboomie
 
**I don't recall the model that you mentioned. I was at Hyundai
yesterday and getting any of the new popular models (Elantra, Sonata)
is damn near impossible at this time. There's a shipment of 20
Elantras coming in and they're all sold.

The 2012 Imprezas sound interesting improvement-wise. The dealership
called me to talk about the end of the lease and I said, it's not up
until Oct. He seemed cheesed and said, Dang, they send these memos too
early. I'd like to know the pricing on the new models.

I also got to check out a Ford Fiesta courtesy of a really nice
customer of mine. She had a brand new candy apple Fiesta and it was
very nice if a little small. Great starter car.
Consider mazda 2: it's like fiesta but with small things done right,
and big things of course such as proper suspension tuning.

And I expect the mazda shifter to be oh so smooth unless you
plan to do automatic penance and, thusly, shiting quality is not an
issue.

Still, subaru might have fixed a lot of things in 2012 starting with
the
slugfest of the american market 2.5 liter normally aspirated engine:
that pig was horrible producing horses of very questionable pedigree
 
**I don't recall the model that you mentioned. I was at Hyundai
yesterday and getting any of the new popular models (Elantra, Sonata)
is damn near impossible at this time. There's a shipment of 20
Elantras coming in and they're all sold.

The 2012 Imprezas sound interesting improvement-wise. The dealership
called me to talk about the end of the lease and I said, it's not up
until Oct. He seemed cheesed and said, Dang, they send these memos too
early. I'd like to know the pricing on the new models.

I also got to check out a Ford Fiesta courtesy of a really nice
customer of mine. She had a brand new candy apple Fiesta and it was
very nice if a little small. Great starter car.

kaboomie- Hide quoted text -

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I agree that the fiesta is nice, but small. If you liked it, the new
focus is probably a viable option. It is blowing away the competition
in the magazine comparison articles. It looks really sharp too in my
opinion. It's the first time I've looked at a focus and said,"Wow, I
like that." Apparently the manual is the way to go, and at least Car &
Driver said they didn't like the MyFordTouch with Navigation system.

I personally can't own one since they are too closely related to
Mazdas, and mazdas are a curse in my family. I've driven over half a
million miles accident free except for two accidents. Both were in
mazdas that I had a total of maybe 20k miles in. Bad luck for me. My
sister had one mazda. Three accidents. None since. My father was never
in an accident in his life until he got a mazda 3. Within a year he
had a deer run out in front of him, and a guy back into him at a stop
sign. That 5 to 10 mph collison did 2600 bucks of damage. Fortunately
the other guy owned up to what he did. I worry that my father still
owns his mazda. But I'd suggest them and related Fords to other
people.

Have a good one,
Bill
 
**I don't recall the model that you mentioned. I was at Hyundai
yesterday and getting any of the new popular models (Elantra, Sonata)
is damn near impossible at this time. There's a shipment of 20
Elantras coming in and they're all sold.

The 2012 Imprezas sound interesting improvement-wise. The dealership
called me to talk about the end of the lease and I said, it's not up
until Oct. He seemed cheesed and said, Dang, they send these memos too
early. I'd like to know the pricing on the new models.

I also got to check out a Ford Fiesta courtesy of a really nice
customer of mine. She had a brand new candy apple Fiesta and it was
very nice if a little small. Great starter car.

kaboomie

The
Curb...http://xdesktopwallpapers.com/hyundai-curb-back-top-view-4942.php


BTW, I have to agree with AD <thud>...the Mazda 2 is a neat little car. If
I could afford a new car, I'd get one for my job.

I can't so my 1989 626 is just fine...
 
I agree that the fiesta is nice, but small. If you liked it, the new
focus is probably a viable option. It is blowing away the competition
in the magazine comparison articles. It looks really sharp too in my
opinion. It's the first time I've looked at a focus and said,"Wow, I
like that." Apparently the manual is the way to go, and at least Car &
Driver said they didn't like the MyFordTouch with Navigation system.

**The Focus is on my list. I'm beginning to see the new Focus and
Fiesta around town. Oddly enough, the drivers seem to be older than I
expected them to be. I figured that Ford was trying to appeal to the
younger crowd with the new design.

kaboomie
 
Still, subaru might have fixed a lot of things in 2012 starting with
the
slugfest of the american market 2.5 liter normally aspirated engine:
that pig was horrible producing horses of very questionable pedigree

**Eh, I'm okay with the power in the Impreza now. It's slower off of
the line than the 2005 so we'll see with the new one. It's supposed to
be lighter and stiffer.

My Subaru dealership doesn't even know when the new Imprezas will be
in stock. I'm also interested in seeing the pricing.
 
**The Focus is on my list. I'm beginning to see the new Focus and
Fiesta around town. Oddly enough, the drivers seem to be older than I
expected them to be. I figured that Ford was trying to appeal to the
younger crowd with the new design.

kaboomie

Like Toyota with the Scion brand. Younger people like the tC, but avoid
the xBox and the xD like the plague...
 
**Eh, I'm okay with the power in the Impreza now. It's slower off of
the line than the 2005 so we'll see with the new one. It's supposed to
be lighter and stiffer.

My Subaru dealership doesn't even know when the new Imprezas will be
in stock. I'm also interested in seeing the pricing.

One of my clients came home with a '12 Civic Friday...
 
**What do you think of the new Civics?

kaboomie

Pretty much about the same as the last 3-4 iterations...

I haven't driven a Civic for a while. I know my Scion has been
"cheapened"...(don't even BREATHE on the sheet metal!!!)

If the door swings open too hard the A PILLAR FLEXES!!!!!!

I think that has as much to do with CAFE as it does with Toyota trying to
save money...

And, I should switch back to Hachi, eh? ;)
 

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