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RockyRoad
Does the manual version have the Hill Holder?
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Voja
I'm test driving 2005 AT H6 and it does not have Hill Holder. :-(
Voja
Voja
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Patrick Fisher
Voja said:
I'm confused - does AT mean automatic transmission? Has any automatic ever
had hill holder? What would be the point?
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Voja
Yes AT is auto transmission. I think it is easier to implement it in a
car with auto tranny then with manual.
I don't know for Subaru's per se but I know my employer's Mercedes 560
SEL back in 1994~1995 had hill holder with AT.
Voja
car with auto tranny then with manual.
I don't know for Subaru's per se but I know my employer's Mercedes 560
SEL back in 1994~1995 had hill holder with AT.
Voja
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Bonehenge
But, WHY?
Barry
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Spinifex
As far as I know.... NO automatic Subaru has EVER had Hill Holder
function. They simply dont need it.
This doesnt answer your question RockyRoad, but my manual 2001
Aussie-spec Liberty (Legacy) DOES have hill-holder. It's brilliant, but
the number of times I have driven a different car, and expected it to be
there, only to roll backwards on an incline.... it's almost dangerous !!!
One of those safety features that should be standard on ALL brands of
car. Otherwise, it's easy to forget which cars DONT have it
Spinifex
function. They simply dont need it.
This doesnt answer your question RockyRoad, but my manual 2001
Aussie-spec Liberty (Legacy) DOES have hill-holder. It's brilliant, but
the number of times I have driven a different car, and expected it to be
there, only to roll backwards on an incline.... it's almost dangerous !!!
One of those safety features that should be standard on ALL brands of
car. Otherwise, it's easy to forget which cars DONT have it
Spinifex
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Ricardo Montalban
So that when the fluid gets low, and it starts to slip, you don't have
to worry. You know, since Daimler and Chrysler are one now, Daimler
is going to use the same appalling trannies, so they need all the help
they can get!!!!
to worry. You know, since Daimler and Chrysler are one now, Daimler
is going to use the same appalling trannies, so they need all the help
they can get!!!!
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Patrick Fisher
with auto tranny then with >manual.
back in >1994~1995 had hill holder with AT.
But what on earth does it do? The whole point of hill-holder is to apply the
brakes while the clutch is depressed. So on an automatic, what activates
the hill holder? And why? I've never had an automatic car roll backwards on
a hill any substantial amount.
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hippo
No auto Sub ever had hillholder. Spinifex is right. AFAIK Oz Outback never
did either (cos it started out as just AT & it never got specced on
manuals?) Liberty wagon always did until last year. NOt sure when sedan
lost it. Manual Forester is now only OZ spec Subaru with HH. So depends on
what market you're in! Cheers
did either (cos it started out as just AT & it never got specced on
manuals?) Liberty wagon always did until last year. NOt sure when sedan
lost it. Manual Forester is now only OZ spec Subaru with HH. So depends on
what market you're in! Cheers
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Henry Paul
The hill holder is more of a novelty item here in the US than a safety
feature, like power windows and door locks.
You don't need a hill holder anyway if you are good with a clutch. I learned
to drive on a manual transmission Dodge van in an area with tons of hills. I
got to where I could take off on a hill without rolling an inch.
feature, like power windows and door locks.
You don't need a hill holder anyway if you are good with a clutch. I learned
to drive on a manual transmission Dodge van in an area with tons of hills. I
got to where I could take off on a hill without rolling an inch.
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Voja
I find that on my 2002 AT H4 when I'm on a steep hill I have to apply
hand brake before I get going. Without it car will roll back by the time
I release brake (foot) and depress accelerator.
Now some will say why am I not depressing brake with my left foot and
right foot on my accelerator. Because I grew up on manual and my left
foot is for clutch only so I'm ok the way it is now.
Anyway, I think hill holder on 560 SEL was brilliant idea considering
that it is well over 2,500kg ~ 5,000 lb and if it starts rolling back
you better get away from it.
Voja
hand brake before I get going. Without it car will roll back by the time
I release brake (foot) and depress accelerator.
Now some will say why am I not depressing brake with my left foot and
right foot on my accelerator. Because I grew up on manual and my left
foot is for clutch only so I'm ok the way it is now.
Anyway, I think hill holder on 560 SEL was brilliant idea considering
that it is well over 2,500kg ~ 5,000 lb and if it starts rolling back
you better get away from it.
Voja
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Peter Stathis
Hill holder clutch only available on 5 spd manual transmissions, and is
only available on the Forester since 2003 in the usa.
only available on the Forester since 2003 in the usa.
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Spinifex
AUSTRALIA
Here in Oz, or at least the state of Queensland, where I live, it is
compulsory during Driving Examinations to do a handbrake or hill-start.
If you can't do it, you fail, and you don't get your license. My
test, some 15 years ago, included a 3-point turn ON a hill, requiring
numerous handbrake operations. I passed without problem.
I find it strange that you mention using your handbrake on a hill in
your automatic. Maybe I misread the tone of your comment (apologies if
I got it wrong), but the distinct impression I got was that you were
almost complaining about the fact that you HAD to use your handbrake on
some occasions.....
I don't know where you are located, but isn't it a requirement of your
driver's license testing to be able to perform this manoeuvre ???
Spinifex
Here in Oz, or at least the state of Queensland, where I live, it is
compulsory during Driving Examinations to do a handbrake or hill-start.
If you can't do it, you fail, and you don't get your license. My
test, some 15 years ago, included a 3-point turn ON a hill, requiring
numerous handbrake operations. I passed without problem.
I find it strange that you mention using your handbrake on a hill in
your automatic. Maybe I misread the tone of your comment (apologies if
I got it wrong), but the distinct impression I got was that you were
almost complaining about the fact that you HAD to use your handbrake on
some occasions.....
I don't know where you are located, but isn't it a requirement of your
driver's license testing to be able to perform this manoeuvre ???
Spinifex
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Rowan Malin
USA
As an Englishman living in the US I am constantly amazed at the low standard
required to pass a driving test here. It's almost seen as an automatic right
to be able to drive a car from the age of 16! It is very rare to see anyone
in a normal driving situation to apply the handbrake, even when parking. In
fact, it is often referred to as the 'emergency' brake. (I use mine as I was
taught - at every stop - much to the amusement of my USA passengers.) Keep
in mind that the vast majority of cars here are automatic - and people often
rely on the transmission to keep them in place. I always keep a safe
distance behind stopped cars on an uphill slope, as at a traffic light,
because they inevitably roll backwards. I can't remember the number of times
I've seen people park, switch off the engine, take their foot off the brake,
and then roll a few inches backwards or forwards into something.
I was given a licence here, purely by reading the state driving manual and
answering 20 out of 30 multiple choice questions correctly. There was no
requirement to take any sort of driving test. (I do, of course, have a full
UK driving licence.) A significant number (~50%) of the questions on the
test were related to insurance requirements and the various penalties for
drunk driving or other infractions, and had nothing whatsoever to do with my
competence to drive, or knowledge of the rules of the road. Also, although I
could have taken the test in any of 30 languages (really!), almost all of
the road signs are written in English, and are not symbolic.
To answer one of your questions, it is not a requirement of the drivers
license to be able to execute a hill start, either with an automatic or
manual transmission. Oddly enough, you do have to show the ability to
reverse-park (parallel park). What I find even more incredible though, is
that there is no distinction made between automatics and manual
(stick-shifts)! Where I live, you can legally pass your test (at 16) in an
AT vehicle and then, perfectly legally, hop into a manual transmission car
and (attempt to) drive away!
To get back on topic, my manual shift '98 OBW does not have a hill holder
(nor would I want one) but my colleague's '03 Forester does. It causes him
more trouble than its worth.
Cheers,
Rowan
As an Englishman living in the US I am constantly amazed at the low standard
required to pass a driving test here. It's almost seen as an automatic right
to be able to drive a car from the age of 16! It is very rare to see anyone
in a normal driving situation to apply the handbrake, even when parking. In
fact, it is often referred to as the 'emergency' brake. (I use mine as I was
taught - at every stop - much to the amusement of my USA passengers.) Keep
in mind that the vast majority of cars here are automatic - and people often
rely on the transmission to keep them in place. I always keep a safe
distance behind stopped cars on an uphill slope, as at a traffic light,
because they inevitably roll backwards. I can't remember the number of times
I've seen people park, switch off the engine, take their foot off the brake,
and then roll a few inches backwards or forwards into something.
I was given a licence here, purely by reading the state driving manual and
answering 20 out of 30 multiple choice questions correctly. There was no
requirement to take any sort of driving test. (I do, of course, have a full
UK driving licence.) A significant number (~50%) of the questions on the
test were related to insurance requirements and the various penalties for
drunk driving or other infractions, and had nothing whatsoever to do with my
competence to drive, or knowledge of the rules of the road. Also, although I
could have taken the test in any of 30 languages (really!), almost all of
the road signs are written in English, and are not symbolic.
To answer one of your questions, it is not a requirement of the drivers
license to be able to execute a hill start, either with an automatic or
manual transmission. Oddly enough, you do have to show the ability to
reverse-park (parallel park). What I find even more incredible though, is
that there is no distinction made between automatics and manual
(stick-shifts)! Where I live, you can legally pass your test (at 16) in an
AT vehicle and then, perfectly legally, hop into a manual transmission car
and (attempt to) drive away!
To get back on topic, my manual shift '98 OBW does not have a hill holder
(nor would I want one) but my colleague's '03 Forester does. It causes him
more trouble than its worth.
Cheers,
Rowan
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Spinifex
My 2001 Liberty (Legacy) Wagon has it... and it's almost dangerous, as I
have gotten soooooo used to it just being there in effect, that I forget
it's absence when driving a different vehicle.
But I DO love it.... I think it should be standard in ALL vehicles,
despite my not requiring it.... i'm perfectly capable of doing handbrake
hill-starts.... but my old age (30 !!!) makes me lazy
Spinifex
have gotten soooooo used to it just being there in effect, that I forget
it's absence when driving a different vehicle.
But I DO love it.... I think it should be standard in ALL vehicles,
despite my not requiring it.... i'm perfectly capable of doing handbrake
hill-starts.... but my old age (30 !!!) makes me lazy
Spinifex
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Voja
You got me all wrong. I don't mind applying hand brake on steep hills on
my AT. I said I'm used to it since my first car was manual and I drove
manual for almost 15 years.
I'm just saying that having hill holder on AT car is not so bad idea.
I had to pass hill test as well back in Europe where I'm from and it was
a good test.
Btw, I'm in Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada now. A lot of hills here.
Cheers,
Voja
my AT. I said I'm used to it since my first car was manual and I drove
manual for almost 15 years.
I'm just saying that having hill holder on AT car is not so bad idea.
I had to pass hill test as well back in Europe where I'm from and it was
a good test.
Btw, I'm in Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada now. A lot of hills here.
Cheers,
Voja
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Laughton D. Chadwicke
As an Englishman living where all proper Englishmen
are wont to do, I am constantly amazed by my compatriots
seeming zeal for puffery. One does not care a whit whether
you can apply your handbrake whilst diddling your sister
in traffic on a steep hillside. Nor do we care how many
frightfully boring you can be in "30 languages".
Oh yes, yes, we are such better drivers here in England,
and on the Continent, too. One can observe that on holiday
in France (ha !). Or Belgium.
I wager that "much to the amusement" of your USA passengers,
you pompously pontificate on nearly every subject at hand.
Please enrapture us in a continuing fashion with more anecdotes
describing your daunting prowess with "the handbrake".
I'm sure we'd rather read posts about all the things you can
grasp with your free hand whilst motoring ... instead of trite tidbits
concerning Subarus.
L Chadwicke
are wont to do, I am constantly amazed by my compatriots
seeming zeal for puffery. One does not care a whit whether
you can apply your handbrake whilst diddling your sister
in traffic on a steep hillside. Nor do we care how many
frightfully boring you can be in "30 languages".
Oh yes, yes, we are such better drivers here in England,
and on the Continent, too. One can observe that on holiday
in France (ha !). Or Belgium.
I wager that "much to the amusement" of your USA passengers,
you pompously pontificate on nearly every subject at hand.
Please enrapture us in a continuing fashion with more anecdotes
describing your daunting prowess with "the handbrake".
I'm sure we'd rather read posts about all the things you can
grasp with your free hand whilst motoring ... instead of trite tidbits
concerning Subarus.
L Chadwicke
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Ricardo Montalban
Well put, actually.
I'd love to know why the handbrake is used with an automatic
transmission at lights: why not put your foot to use on the brake
pedal, or is that too colonial like?
I'd love to know why the handbrake is used with an automatic
transmission at lights: why not put your foot to use on the brake
pedal, or is that too colonial like?
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hippo
Maybe bacause the driver thinks it's more considerate to following traffic
than sitting there with 2 stoplights and an eye level one dazzling the
person behind, especially if it's dark &/or wet. Common courtesy - another
oxymoron?
than sitting there with 2 stoplights and an eye level one dazzling the
person behind, especially if it's dark &/or wet. Common courtesy - another
oxymoron?
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Hallan Blaggit
Dazzling? You must have sensitive eyes if they're bothered by brake
lights. Good heavens, man. If that's the way you feel, i assume you
turn off your headlights when you stop as well, because you wouldn't
want to bother the driver in front, too.
lights. Good heavens, man. If that's the way you feel, i assume you
turn off your headlights when you stop as well, because you wouldn't
want to bother the driver in front, too.