2005 Subaru Outback impressions and comparisons

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Tim

I recently test drove a 2005 Subaru Outback 3.0R LL Bean. I was very
impressed by its response and handling. The interior felt quite
upscale with quality leather seats, dual A/C, CD changer, huge
moonroof. The exterior has pleasing lines and is eye-catching and
stylish. I like the big lights in the front and rear.
I find older Subaru styles blah or downright ugly; the new OBW is a
great improvement. I have had a pretty bad image of Subaru, far below
Honda, Toyota or even Nissan on the Japanese totem pole. But recently
when I entered the market for an AWD offroad vehicle that also would
be used for city driving I almost immediately zeroed in on the Outback
because I want to avoid getting an SUV.

I am not an SUV-hater and certainly appreciate the need for one on
certain terrain. I just find it hard to justify the amount of space
occupied and fuel consumed by an SUV transporting a single individual
on freeways and city streets. Also I own a BMW 330i and can give up
only so much driving enjoyment in normal conditions. Guiding a
lumbering tipsy goliath on pavement would turn into too much of a
chore.

The Outback is quick and stable. Its H6 was very smooth and responsive
as I took it over 100 mph on the freeway. In an empty parking lot I
tried some tight circles and corners and the wagon obliged every time.
The brakes felt soft but not disturbingly so. The noise level was no
worse than my BMW which purposely does not have the quietest cabin in
the world. The ride felt pretty smooth for me and the passengers but I
stuck to well-paved roads.

I was almost sold on the Outback after the test drive but for a few
misgivings. The biggest issue is rear legroom. I cannot understand how
anyone could design a car for camping and family activities involving
long drives but provide rear legroom that feels slightly tight. Subaru
needs to add 2 inches or more to the 33.9 inches provided. The second
issue is general brand image. I'm not sure I want to be seen in a
Subaru--I just hope other people will notice the same improvements in
styling that I have! The third issue is reliability. I have first hand
experience of top-class Japanese quality in Honda and Toyota. I also
have had no complaints of my BMW. So the prospect of anything less is
the source of some anxiety.

After trying out the OBW I felt obligated to look at the competition.
The only other AWD offroad wagons I found are the Volvo XC70 and the
Audi allroad.
The XC70 is a much nicer and more comfortable car. It is roomier in
every sense and I doubt my backbenchers would have anything to
complain about on long drives. But on the freeway the XC70 seemed to
need some coaxing to go faster and to stop. It is not nearly as
responsive as the Outback and I could really feel its length and
breadth on the road. I've never been a fan of Volvo's boxy style which
can be described as staid at best but the XC70 does have a number of
luxury options like rain-sensing wipers, seat memory etc. that simply
are not available for the Outback. The standard cassette player dates
the center console though. Its ground clearance is somewhat less than
the Outback's but not by much. Its colors were much more appealing
than the Outback selection. I remain convinced though Outback has a
better AWD system than Volvo's. And I don't have good impressions of
Volvo reliability though I do see a lot of old Volvo's running around.

The Audi A6 allroad was next. I admit I have been averse to Audi since
their 1980's debacle in the US and am pretty sure I would never
actually buy one. Their styles are sportier than Volvo but I find them
too rounded blob-like without character. The allroad is a great ride
though. I tried the 300hp V8 and it unquestionably was the most
powerful of the three cars. The cabin is definitely luxurious and may
be roomier than the Volvo. Again it has a bunch of luxury options not
available in the Outback. I was not able to put it through its paces
as much as the Outback but it handled as well as I could expect of any
non-BMW car. However a big negative is its SUVish 15/21 mpg
consumption. Also it has four levels of ground clearance ranging from
5.6 inches to 8.2 inches that I find needlessly complicated. I'm
afraid that only means more things can go wrong. What if I get
somewhere on 8.2 inches and then my ground clearance gets stuck at a
lower level? Also what's up with Europeans and cassette
players--standard on the allroad too!

Price is a factor but just on the merits of essential features--AWD,
offroad, handling, response, power, and comfort--I am leaning toward
the Outback. I'm hoping I can get one for a day or two to really test
its rear seating comfort.

Tim
 
Tim said:
I recently test drove a 2005 Subaru Outback 3.0R LL Bean. I was very
impressed by its response and handling. The interior felt quite
upscale with quality leather seats, dual A/C, CD changer, huge
moonroof. The exterior has pleasing lines and is eye-catching and
stylish. I like the big lights in the front and rear.
I find older Subaru styles blah or downright ugly; the new OBW is a
great improvement. I have had a pretty bad image of Subaru, far below
Honda, Toyota or even Nissan on the Japanese totem pole. But recently
when I entered the market for an AWD offroad vehicle that also would
etc....

We have had our 2005 base Outback for about two weeks now. Why didn't we
opt for the turbo or the H6; price and practicality were factors. After
having driven a 2000 OBW for 4 years previously, I have to say that the
05 is a significant step forward IMHO. Ergonomics, ride and driving
feels are the biggest improvements. My second car is an Audi and while
the Subaru does not have the knife edge handling of an Audi (or a BMW
for that matter) it is surprisingly close to a "European feel".

Power delivery response is also up, and it something you can actually
feel compared to the old car (in the base version). Gas mileage was a
issue for us as the 2000 did not get the economy that we had hoped so we
were hoping for an improvement. We got one! Our latest tank was 661 klms
(411 miles), with 8 litres remaining. To get 600 klms on the old car we
would have to have a tailwind and a 600 klm downhill run.

As an aside, our 2000 was one of the most reliable cars we have ever
had. Other than oil changes and scheduled maintenance it never saw the
inside of a service garage.

Ron
 
@posting.google.com>, (e-mail address removed)
says...
Its H6 was very smooth and responsive
as I took it over 100 mph on the freeway.
I was almost sold on the Outback after the test drive but for a few
misgivings.

The second
issue is general brand image. I'm not sure I want to be seen in a
Subaru--I just hope other people will notice the same improvements in
styling that I have! The third issue is reliability. I have first hand
experience of top-class Japanese quality in Honda and Toyota. I also
have had no complaints of my BMW. So the prospect of anything less is
the source of some anxiety.


Well, Mario Andretti...please don't get a Subaru.

Stick with your BMW, as we'd hate for you to feel
any *anxiety* as your cruising the freeways past
us, at 100MPH.

Steve
 
CompUser said:
@posting.google.com>, (e-mail address removed)
says...








Well, Mario Andretti...please don't get a Subaru.

Stick with your BMW, as we'd hate for you to feel
any *anxiety* as your cruising the freeways past
us, at 100MPH.

Steve
I saw a BMW going really fast, when I passed him!
 
The second
issue is general brand image. I'm not sure I want to be seen in a
Subaru--I just hope other people will notice the same improvements in
styling that I have!

I don't know why, but I find this particular statement obnoxious...

:^)

If you're so embarrassed by driving a Subaru, or care what others think, why
are you even looking at it in the first place? I mean, you have the BMW
already...the scooby can be your "slumming" car...just make sure you drive
around with the sunglasses and fake moustache...so no one knows it's you
driving that...that...that Subaru!

Mort
(who drives a...gasp...02 TS Wagon...)
 
I don't know why, but I find this particular statement obnoxious...

:^)

If you're so embarrassed by driving a Subaru, or care what others think, why
are you even looking at it in the first place? I mean, you have the BMW
already...the scooby can be your "slumming" car...just make sure you drive
around with the sunglasses and fake moustache...so no one knows it's you
driving that...that...that Subaru!

Mort
(who drives a...gasp...02 TS Wagon...)

Yeah...while he's breezing along at speeds in
excess of 100MPH, no less...in one of those--
Subarus <slapping fingertips to BOTH cheeks!!
<<gasp!>> >
 
The second
Well, Mario Andretti...please don't get a Subaru.

Stick with your BMW, as we'd hate for you to feel
any *anxiety* as your cruising the freeways past
us, at 100MPH.

Who cares about brand image anyway? Nevermind, I know a lot of people do.
5 years ago, when I started looking for another vehicle, my "brand image" of
Subaru was largely influenced by the majority of Subies that I saw with roof
carriers toting everything from standard bicycles to canoes. I didn't see
anything wrong with that, and eventually even started riding my mountain
bike again, thanks to the fact that I could throw it in the back of the
Subaru I ended up buying.

At the same time, one of my close friends couldn't understand why I bought a
Subaru. He's always bought Lexus and Mercedes, so Subaru was completely off
his vehicular radar. (He thought they still made the BRAT!) Anyway, after
about a year or two of ownership, he was convinced that Subaru was an
excellent choice for a vehicle. I think one of the reasons for his change
of heart was that his riverside cottage had a road that was more often mud
than dirt, and had a tendency to trap his Lexus. Not only that, but he
started having odd problems with the car, probably due to the harsh
environment it was being subjected to. I don't think they designed the GS
with floodplains in mind. ;) Meanwhile, the Subaru soldiered on, and at
one point he offered to buy it from me but I refused, insisting that he get
his own. ;)

He's since moved away, but we still keep in touch over the phone, and during
our last conversation he was telling me he's considering one of those new
Outbacks. Subaru sure has come a long way.

-Matt
 
If you have a BMW, why go for a Subaru? The Lamborghini Murcielago has
all-wheel drive as well and would be far less embarrassing to be seen in.
 
Much as I like BMWs they have a real documented quality control issue the
last 5 years running. Subaru ranks right there with Toyota and Honda for
reliability (consumers Reports). I say enjoy what you like to drive and
don't belittle others. My 2000 Forester doe's a fine job for me with 72,000
trouble free miles. eddie
 
If you have a BMW, why go for a Subaru? The Lamborghini Murcielago has
all-wheel drive as well and would be far less embarrassing to be seen in.

Bah! Balderdash! Isn't Lamborghini just a Fiat, these days?
I've never wanted a BMW myself. Flash for pimps and poseurs.
....but then I used to be an Alfisti! Now I LOVE my Subie!
 
Juhan Leemet said:
Bah! Balderdash! Isn't Lamborghini just a Fiat, these days?
I've never wanted a BMW myself. Flash for pimps and poseurs.
...but then I used to be an Alfisti! Now I LOVE my Subie!

Doesn't BMW = Break My Window?
(Refering to all the stolen ones.)

Or the often asked question:
Why do BMW's have turn signals?...I don't know either.
(Refering to common etiquete of beemer drivers NOT using turn signals)
 
Bill said:
Doesn't BMW = Break My Window?
(Refering to all the stolen ones.)

Or the often asked question:
Why do BMW's have turn signals?...I don't know either.
(Refering to common etiquete of beemer drivers NOT using turn signals)

totally OT: Does "bimmer" refer to the car and "Beemer" to the motorcycle?

Ron
 
And note that many/most beemers and Subies have something in common that
is different to almost everything else on the road ... a boxer engine.

-- Bruce
owner of a boxer beemer and a boxer soobie.
Oilhead or Airhead?[/QUOTE]

I went airhead boxer ('84 R80RT) to inline flat four ('86 K100RT) to
oilhead boxer ('95 R1100RT). The oilhead is as sweet as the airhead but
with wonderful frame/suspension and as much power as the inline four,
but without the airhead's horrid bing carbs. It does 60 mpg two up with
luggage, double what the soobie (Legacy 250T wagon) does, and also 50%
better than the airhead and 33% better than the K. All cruising at 70 -
75 mph on NZ two-lane roads with overtaking as required.

-- Bruce
 
Bruce said:
Oilhead or Airhead?


I went airhead boxer ('84 R80RT) to inline flat four ('86 K100RT) to
oilhead boxer ('95 R1100RT). The oilhead is as sweet as the airhead but
with wonderful frame/suspension and as much power as the inline four,
but without the airhead's horrid bing carbs. It does 60 mpg two up with
luggage, double what the soobie (Legacy 250T wagon) does, and also 50%
better than the airhead and 33% better than the K. All cruising at 70 -
75 mph on NZ two-lane roads with overtaking as required.

-- Bruce[/QUOTE]
Wow! My '95R100GS only gets 40mpg on a good day.
 

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