strut installation on Legacy

Z

Zack

As I've mentioned in a previous post, I had to get four new tires for
my '90 Legacy auto AWD wagon. I had them installed by a local tire
discount place, and had them do a 4-wheel alignment. Afterwards, they
told me they were unable to properly align the left front wheel for
camber (spec is -.5 to +.5 degrees, best they could get was 1.3
degrees. They suggested that either the frame or a suspension member
was probably bent. Unfortunately, I suspect they are right - there
has been uneven wear on the outside of the two tires which have been
rotated to the left front. Additionally, I know that the car was
involved in a fender-bender on the left-front shortly before I
purchased it. Oddly enough, the car has always driven fine (no
vibrations, doesn't pull to left or right) and is driving even more
smoothly with the new tires and alignement.

I spoke with the Subie dealer I trust, and the service manager thought
the most likely possibility was a bent strut (although until I bring
the car in he obviously can't do more than guess). The struts are
original with over 150,000 miles on them, so I guess I can't say that
they aren't overdue for a change.

The problem is that although I love this car and it is very reliable,
it's really not worth much more than the $2000 I paid for it two years
ago. Car ownership is a luxury for me -- I don't actually need to own
a car -- and it's difficult to justify putting a great deal of money
into maintenance.

Two questions:

1 Given the age of the sturts, I assume that if I replace the left
front I should also replace the right front. Can I get away with just
replacing the fronts, or would it be a bad idea to have front and rear
struts which don't match (they'd all be Subaru OEM struts, but with a
signficant age difference between front and rear!)

2. The dealer quoted me roughly $250 per strut, including labor and
(I assume) alignment. I am completely confident that they would do
the job right. The local Sears auto service center quoted me $375 to
replace both front struts, and $683 to replace all four, including
alignment. Sears also mentioned that there would be an additional $56
charge per strut if the mounts need to be replaced, I'm not sure if
new mounts were included in the dealer's quote. Do Subie struts
require any Subie-specific skills to install, and would you trust
someone who doesn't do a lot of work on Subies to do the installation?

I'm bringing the car to the dealer next week to determine if in fact a
bent strut is the problem. If difference in price turns out to be
less than $100 or so I'll just have the dealer do the work, but if the
difference turns out to be several hundred dollars I'm not sure what
to do. And of course, I suppose I could just live with the camber
mis-alignment and live with the accelerated tire wear...

Thanks in advance for all advice!

Zack
'90 Legacy auto AWD wagon 155,000 miles
 
There are camber bolts made to increase the range of adjustment. (Street
racers usually use them to inprove cornering performance). I don't know
if they will bring the car back into spec or not. Do a search and maybe
post on the forums at www.nasioc.com , www.usmb.net , www.i-club.com

Maybe someone here knows? They would be a cheap fix for most of the tire
wear if it works. Not the best fix - probably the cheapest.

Carl
1 Lucky Texan
 
The local Sears auto service center quoted me $375 to
replace both front struts, and $683 to replace all four,

WHOA !

Time to borrow a kerosene heater and spend some quality time with the car in
the garage !

jw
milwaukee
 
WHOA !

Time to borrow a kerosene heater and spend some quality time with the car in
the garage !

jw
milwaukee

Garage?!! I'm a city boy. Don't got no stinkin garage. I park my
car out on the street, and move it every two days so the
streetsweepers don't ticket it. Dunno about you, but I'm not brave
enough to start disassembling my front suspension sitting on 13th
Street, knowing that if I screw something up and don't finish the job
on time the traffic police will come by and give me a $75 ticket
possibly accompanied by a helpful $150 tow to the pound. Not to
mention that it's cold out there.

Which gets back to the 'Sears' question. I KNOW Sears could do a
better job replacing struts than I could sitting out in the cold on
13th Street, but is that good enough? Is this the sort of job that
any reasonably competent mechanic can do, or is better to use someone
(more expensive) who actually knows Subarus?

I'm also intrigued by the 'camber bolt' idea. A bit of research shows
that some bolts claim the ability to alter camber by +/- 1.5 degrees,
which would be just enough to get my front wheel into spec. All the
bolts I've seen listed have actually been for Imprezzas, and I have no
idea if they would also work on a Legacy. But I'll certainly run this
by the dealer and see if there's a chance of making it work.

Thanks,
Zack
'90 Legacy AWD Auto Wagon 155,000 miles
New York City
 
any one can do this simple job...that being said the local sears screwed
mine up one time. I recommend an alignment shop...they usually do struts as
well and if both are done by them they can't blame a problem on the other
guy. Tire shops often do alignments and struts. TG
 
So, I brought my Subie into the dealer today. They confirmed that the
left front and right rear strut were slightly bent, but were able to
all 4 wheels into alignment! The mechanic wasn't thrilled with his
results, the camber for the left front wheel is at the high end of the
spec (.4 degrees, as opposed to the maximum spec of .5 degrees) but
this is way better than the tire shop was able to do (1.4 degrees!)
while actually improving on the toe and caster measurements for the
wheel. The right wheel is actually now very slightly out of spec (.8
degrees as opposed to the maximum spec of .67 degrees) but he brought
the toe well into spec (the tire shop had nudged the camber
measurement just within spec, but at the expense of having the toe
quite a ways out of spec). The mechanic did not think that it was
worth replacing all four struts to improve these measurements, a view
which I heartily agree with.

I'll maybe rotate the tires a bit more often than I used to, and it
would be nice to do a four wheel pattern. I've followed the thread on
tire rotation with interest, and asked the dealer why they (and
Subaru) recommend a two wheel pattern. They suggested that it wasn't
a good idea to reverse the rotation direction on radials, but admitted
that this directive had come down to them quite some time ago. Maybe
I'll call the US distributor for Yokohama tires directly, and see what
they have to say.

Zack
'90 Legacy Wagon AWD Auto 155,000 miles
 
Cross rotating radials caused millions of internal separations years ago but
the problem was all but eliminated years ago as well. Only the poorest
quality tires will give you a problem today. Bottom line is that if you have
average or better tires cross-rotating does more good than harm and probably
won't cause any harm. TG
 

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