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enrico

I need a new car and have narrowed it down to the Forester, Honda CRV,
and new Nissan X-trail. My first choice would be the Forester, except
that I am not sure about the windows not being in a frame. Have any
long term Subaru users out there found that to be a problem over time?
I mean failing to adapt to the body and ease of break and enter?
 
enrico said:
I need a new car and have narrowed it down to the Forester, Honda CRV,
and new Nissan X-trail. My first choice would be the Forester, except
that I am not sure about the windows not being in a frame. Have any
long term Subaru users out there found that to be a problem over time?
I mean failing to adapt to the body and ease of break and enter?

The tension of the window against the frame is adjustable. Some
people experience whistling of the windows, but it's easily corrected
by this tension adjustment. So, no real functional issue there.

As for ease of entry, like convertibles, you can slide something
between the gasket and the glass on the vertical edge, but I'm not
sure if you could maintain enough stability on such a tool to actuate
the door locks especially with the deflection involved of the
gasket--the glass isn't terribly flexible, and does have a top hard
ridge that will prevent the window from being bent back. But, at the
end of the day, nothing keeps a crook from getting in your car. The
low tech brick works everytime on every car. Keep valuables out of
sight, park in well lighted areas, and pay yer auto insurance. :)

In short, I'd not discount a Subaru or any convertible based on the
frameless windows.
 
Bought a new Forester X a month ago. The salesperson demonstrated the
flexibility of the glass by placing his fingers across the rubber gasket
along the B-pillar and slammed the door shut. Surely, his fingers were
wedged between the gasket and the window glass but he was not screaming in
pain. He said it was a safety feature on all Subarus, so people would not
lose appendages in the event the a body part gets pinched between the glass
and the car.
 
My parents have had 6 Subarus and I'm 5 years into my 2nd one and we've never had a problem with the windows. I even have a tendency to lean
on mine if I'm standing outside my car talking to someone and push on the glass to close the door and have had no negative results.

Bought a new Forester X a month ago. The salesperson demonstrated the
flexibility of the glass by placing his fingers across the rubber gasket
along the B-pillar and slammed the door shut. Surely, his fingers were
wedged between the gasket and the window glass but he was not screaming in
pain. He said it was a safety feature on all Subarus, so people would not
lose appendages in the event the a body part gets pinched between the glass
and the car.
 
I've had no problems. I've had a 2003 Forester for almost 2 years now.

I really like the way the doors look when you open them and the window
is down...very convertible like...
 
enrico said:
I need a new car and have narrowed it down to the Forester, Honda CRV,
and new Nissan X-trail. My first choice would be the Forester, except
that I am not sure about the windows not being in a frame. Have any
long term Subaru users out there found that to be a problem over time?
I mean failing to adapt to the body and ease of break and enter?

Frames don't mean they can't get in. A friend had their civic opened by
someone bending the frame out on the window.

F. Plant
 
my 92 legacy has yet to develop any problems with the windows. in
fact, everyone kinda thinks its cool. people always make the comment
that they never see that on a small japanese car. i love it!
 
Frames don't mean they can't get in. A friend had their civic opened by
someone bending the frame out on the window.

Cars are incredibly easy to get into, for someone
who doesn't care about damaging it in the process
(unlike us, when we lock our keys in). Skilled
guys (locksmiths or tow operators, depending on
your state) will make you say bad words, at how
fast they can get in, without causing damage. I
wouldn't base a purchasing decision on how
difficult/easy a car *appeared* to be, to break
into.

Steve
 
Bought a new Forester X a month ago. The salesperson demonstrated the
flexibility of the glass by placing his fingers across the rubber gasket
along the B-pillar and slammed the door shut. Surely, his fingers were
wedged between the gasket and the window glass but he was not screaming in
pain. He said it was a safety feature on all Subarus, so people would not
lose appendages in the event the a body part gets pinched between the glass
and the car.

How hard is it to get past with an improvised slim-jim bar?
 
Chris Phillipo said:
How hard is it to get past with an improvised slim-jim bar?

On the vertical edge of the drivers window, quite easy. If I locked
my keys in somehow, that'd be my route--through there to the power
lock switch.

For all makes of vehicle:
a) Never leaves valuables visible.
b) Someone who wants to steal your car will one way or another.
c) Pay your insurance on time. b) is what it's for.
 
How hard is it to get past with an improvised slim-jim bar?

Simple. What you ought to invest in and I did just that is an alarm
system which reads voltage drops. As the door opens and the interior
lights come on, the alarm is making too much noise for the fools to go any
father. I am a locksmith and today's cars are indeed easy to get into.
You job, should you wish to accept it, is to make it an unwise thing for a
thief to do! Few thieves hang around cars making lots of noise and those
who do tend to spend their free time in jail.
 
snip
Cars are incredibly easy to get into, for someone
who doesn't care about damaging it in the process
(unlike us, when we lock our keys in). Skilled
guys (locksmiths or tow operators, depending on
your state) will make you say bad words, at how
fast they can get in, without causing damage.
snip

Sad to say it, but it makes you also appreciate a skilled thief, who just
takes what they want w.o. destroying everything in the process.

F. Plant
 
Bought a new Forester X a month ago. The salesperson demonstrated the
Reading this for the third time, I'm reminded of a similar demonstration. A
*long* time ago I took a tour of the Guardian Glass factory outside Detroit.
They took a 4' x 8' sheet of tempered glass, and put each corner up on a 6"
square block. Then the guy stood in the middle, and the glass had no trouble
flexing from 6" at the corner to the ground in the middle. To cap off the
demo, he took a long steel rod and *tapped* the edge of the glass, and it
shattered immediately.

My point? That salesman demonstrated a property of all tempered glass, or
more likely the flexibility of the glass mounting system. Big whoop.

-John O
 
I helped a friend get into his car that way after watching a locksmith do
it. You can pry the frame out enough to slip a coat hanger in........
 
Sad to say it, but it makes you also appreciate a skilled thief, who just
takes what they want w.o. destroying everything in the process.

Those seem to be a rarity. I'd guess the
"industry standard" involves something along the
order of 300-500% cost to repair damages,
relative to value of item stolen.

Steve
 
Speaking of skilled thieves, we had an incident here where the local
electronics shop was copying keys. They'd go to the customers home with a
key, take their sweet time removing what the customer had bought from the
car, lock the car back up, smash a window and run to cover it up.

Henry
 
CompUser said:
Those seem to be a rarity. I'd guess the
"industry standard" involves something along the
order of 300-500% cost to repair damages,
relative to value of item stolen.
A relative of mine had 2 breakins. The first they damaged the door and
dash, made a bit of a mess and ended up only grabbing a few tapes. 2nd
time stereo taken, but no damage done and car was locked up after.

Its the collateral damage that really pisses you off, especially when it has
nothing to do with putting money into the thiefs pocket and is just plain
mean.

F. Plant
 
Hey John O. I work for Guardian Glass, what plant did you tour?

Carleton, I think? Off of 275 between Monroe and the airport. This was
probably 1979-80. Cool place, I still remember a lot of that tour. Molten
glass will do that, I suppose. :)

-John O
from Detroit Beach back then
 

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