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coustanis
I'd like to have one of those.
M
Marcus
Hi,
I am just guessing but suspect that it is not possible to make a diesel
boxer engine due to not being able to make a strong enough block in that
configuration (one that is commercially viable weight and size wise).
Without a boxer engine they would have to do a major redesign of front end
metalwork, front drive parts and suspension and steering layout and
components.
Lets face it if it was easily fixable they would have done it already and
probably upped their European sales figures by 20 to 30%.
I am just guessing but suspect that it is not possible to make a diesel
boxer engine due to not being able to make a strong enough block in that
configuration (one that is commercially viable weight and size wise).
Without a boxer engine they would have to do a major redesign of front end
metalwork, front drive parts and suspension and steering layout and
components.
Lets face it if it was easily fixable they would have done it already and
probably upped their European sales figures by 20 to 30%.
R
Rob Munach
Properly designed, they should be able to make diesel boxer ofMarcus said:
reasonable weight. However, designing a new engine is a huge expense in
R&D and manufacturing.
K
Kurt C. Hack
I would think that they would be devoting their precious R&D time to
their expected gas/electric hybrid rather than diesel technology.
However, I think a diesel/electric hybrid would certainly give the best
of both worlds.
-Kurt
their expected gas/electric hybrid rather than diesel technology.
However, I think a diesel/electric hybrid would certainly give the best
of both worlds.
-Kurt
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Jim Stewart
coustanis said:
Maybe you could shoehorn one of these in your Outback:
http://www.aerodiesel-engines.com/
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Florian Feuser /FFF/
... and it delivers its max continuous power rating of 230hp (according to specs
on that site) up to 10.000 feet.
I am sure that'll come in handy!
florian
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David
Florian Feuser /FFF/ said:
You've never had your Sube up there? Well I guess I've only had mine to 9200
feet or so. Performance at altitude is a great reason to go turbo (which I don't have).
And of course fuel economy is a great reason to go diesel.
I guess most of us know that modern european-market turbodiesels give the
performance of a gas car with better fuel economy. You can buy a fuel-efficient
little Audi turbodiesel that will cruise at 230km/h.
I also keep reading about how US-spec diesel oil is improving, and how
soon we'll be able to buy such vehicles here. Don't know when "soon"
is though...
T
Todd H.
Kurt C. Hack said:
Hopefully this comes out before my current vehicle dies. I'd
absolutely LOVE to have the cargo capacity of an Outback wagon with
the economy of a hybrid.
J
Jkpoulos7
Hopefully this comes out before my current vehicle dies. I'd
Gallons of acid waiting to splash you in an accident? Underpowered toy car
electric motor? The US needs to get diesel use up. I had a loaner VW jetta TDI
that got 45 MPG with auto trans and was like driving a real car.
A diesel Outback woukd be the ultimate
Gallons of acid waiting to splash you in an accident? Underpowered toy car
electric motor? The US needs to get diesel use up. I had a loaner VW jetta TDI
that got 45 MPG with auto trans and was like driving a real car.
A diesel Outback woukd be the ultimate
B
Brian Wasson
I just got back from two weeks in Europe, land of many diesel cars. I
could have sworn I saw/heard at least one Diesel Outback when I was in
Germany. In fact, I said to my wife "I wish they would start importing
diesel Subarus into the USA." I haven't seen very many Subarus in
Europe. On this trip, during which I spent a fair amount of time in
the Alps regions of Germany and Austria, I probably saw a total of six
Subarus. One Forester, and the rest were Outbacks (some older body
style, a few newer). I did see two Subaru dealers in Germany, and on a
previous trip noticed that Subaru was an advertising sponsor of the
skiing/tourist cable car on the Zugspitze, Germany's highest mountain.
Although we mostly bicycled on this trip, we did rent a diesel Ford
Mondeo wagon for a few days. A big wagon, and it it got somewhere
between 40-50 mpg. We usually try to rent diesels when in Europe,
since 1) the fuel is nearly $1 usd cheaper per gallon, and 2) they get
double the gas mileage.
The VW diesels sold in the USA are very nice, but I think VWs are
overpriced in general, even without the diesel. Plus, the USA version
of the VW TDI actually makes less HP than the European models. I don't
know if they have to de-tune it for USA regulations, or what.
Brian W.
Abington, Pa.
2003 OBW
could have sworn I saw/heard at least one Diesel Outback when I was in
Germany. In fact, I said to my wife "I wish they would start importing
diesel Subarus into the USA." I haven't seen very many Subarus in
Europe. On this trip, during which I spent a fair amount of time in
the Alps regions of Germany and Austria, I probably saw a total of six
Subarus. One Forester, and the rest were Outbacks (some older body
style, a few newer). I did see two Subaru dealers in Germany, and on a
previous trip noticed that Subaru was an advertising sponsor of the
skiing/tourist cable car on the Zugspitze, Germany's highest mountain.
Although we mostly bicycled on this trip, we did rent a diesel Ford
Mondeo wagon for a few days. A big wagon, and it it got somewhere
between 40-50 mpg. We usually try to rent diesels when in Europe,
since 1) the fuel is nearly $1 usd cheaper per gallon, and 2) they get
double the gas mileage.
The VW diesels sold in the USA are very nice, but I think VWs are
overpriced in general, even without the diesel. Plus, the USA version
of the VW TDI actually makes less HP than the European models. I don't
know if they have to de-tune it for USA regulations, or what.
Brian W.
Abington, Pa.
2003 OBW
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Walt Kienzle
[snip]
I heard that there are actually 3 TDI engines available from Volkswagen in
Europe. The one they send to the US is the lowest power version because
that is the only one that will work properly here. It has to do with the
high sulfur (low quality by European standards) diesel fuel sold here. I
don't recall if the other engines won't pass EPA certification, or if the
sulfur damages the engine somehow.
Walt Kienzle
I heard that there are actually 3 TDI engines available from Volkswagen in
Europe. The one they send to the US is the lowest power version because
that is the only one that will work properly here. It has to do with the
high sulfur (low quality by European standards) diesel fuel sold here. I
don't recall if the other engines won't pass EPA certification, or if the
sulfur damages the engine somehow.
Walt Kienzle
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Arne Herrmann
No, impossible.
There is no Diesel-Subaru in Germany or the rest of the world. Of
course, not counting the (hopefully) numerous test-mules that test the
new Diesel-engine that will come out this fall...<- not gonna happen
:-/
I'm still hoping for one, but I think Subaru will turn there attention
towards Hybrids and Gas-engines, which is fine, too...
Only problem so far: the density of fuelstations is very low, much
lower as for Diesel and gasoline.
Problem is with the current engines, they are not as clean as
possible. Many manufactures do not offer those filtering mechanisms
standard, the Peugeot&Citroen does. So no Dieselengine for me, without
this particle filter...
greetings
Arne
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Edward Hayes
It seems that the only really dirty diesel engines in the world are the USA
truck engines who are conveniently excluded from the ecology and political
groups.
truck engines who are conveniently excluded from the ecology and political
groups.
P
Paul Pedersen
Brian Wasson writes :
Must have been piston slap.
Must have been piston slap.
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Florian Feuser /FFF/
That and a plugged ear from the landing perhaps.
Europe, the land of cheese, wine, sauerkraut...
no, wait: it's a continent!
florian
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David
Brian Wasson said:
It's pretty easy to tell. For modern, unmodified german-market cars,
diesels have downturned exhaust, and gas-engine cars don't. I'm not
aware of exceptions.
C
Chris Phillipo
jkpoulos7 said:
Except that Subaru can't make a diesel engine to save their life.
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G.R. Aydelotte
Snip
Check this out: http://www.dieselforum.com/background/international.html
Looks like they can but for another manufacturer. You can read about
this discussion by googling groups for "Daniel Stern boxer engine"
Gregg
Check this out: http://www.dieselforum.com/background/international.html
Looks like they can but for another manufacturer. You can read about
this discussion by googling groups for "Daniel Stern boxer engine"
Gregg
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Chris Phillipo
I don't know if I want Subaru head gaskets and a higher compression
ratio
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Jim Stewart
Chris said:I don't know if I want Subaru head gaskets and a higher compression
ratio
At least 2 manufacturers have tried using stock
gas engine blocks for diesel engines. Both ended
up needing modifications for long-term reliability.
If Subaru does do a diesel, I hope they either
buy a proven design or start from the ground up.