TRIbeca Ugly and a Poor Design

[jabario]

Subaru: You need to rethink your priorities and marketing. This
tribeca thing is ugly and impractical. No flat cargo area. Easy to
damage leather seats. Too much like a morono by nissan.
Stick with rugged cars that last and sell for a fair price. The
outback saved you subaru. the tribeca and ilk will kill you!!!
I'm concerned for real now. I bought a 2004 OBW and love it. In 1 year
I have 40k miles.I will get a few more good years but when I need a new
car subaru will be off the list I hope Jeep still makes the unlimited.
I will not buy a subaru with an integrated stereo or bland jap metoo
styling!!!!

 

[Nicolaas]

And don't forget EXPENSIVE! Plans to price this suv in the mid 30's. I can
think of a lot of vehicles that I would buy before I spent 35,000 on a
Subie.

 

[John A. Mason]

And don't forget EXPENSIVE! Plans to price this suv in the mid 30's. I can

think of a lot of vehicles that I would buy before I spent 35,000 on a
Subie.

Nicolas,
What are some of the '... a lot of vehicles...' you would buy before a
Subaru @ $35k? What would the advantages of those vehicles be over a Subaru?
Is Subaru lacking in some area... perhaps quality? technology? innovation?
engineering? design? etc? Just curious.
Regards,
John

 

[lkreh]

I think someone was just trolling for responses:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group...e&mode=thread&noheader=1#doc_d2cd5bbf1ccb15df

 

[jabario]

I can think of many in the $35 k range I'd buy before a subaru. Any
BMW, A Toyota, Even a vette is in the low 40's. The outback saved
Subaru and now theyve forgotten what works. Subie stock stereos suck
and are not worthy of a 25k + vehicle.

 

[John A. Mason]

I can think of many in the $35 k range I'd buy before a subaru. Any
BMW, A Toyota, Even a vette is in the low 40's. The outback saved
Subaru and now theyve forgotten what works. Subie stock stereos suck
and are not worthy of a 25k + vehicle.

None of the vehicles you mention can compare with a Subaru for advanced
technology or engineering. Name appeal, sure. Quality, maybe especially with
the Toyota, but certainly not with the 'Vette. And BMW's at that price range
are *way* overrated and under-quality.
As far as the stereo, I don't like being locked into a factory stereo
either. I don't think this is a trend that is exclusive to Subaru. However,
in my '02 VDC Sedan, I got the premium McIntosh sound system, and it is
quite good. If the stereo is the make-or-break item for you, then so be it.
I'd rather have the advanced engine, drivetrain, and best AWD system on the
road, bar none.
Regards,
John

 

[John A. Mason]

I think someone was just trolling for responses:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group...e&mode=thread&noheader=1#doc_d2cd5bbf1ccb15df

So much for trolling <frown>. At least the posts in the thread are only in
this specific group.

 

[Rob Munach]

So much for trolling <frown>. At least the posts in the thread are only in
this specific group.

I own a Forester and used to own a BRAT, but I have to agree with the
troll, the Tribeca is ugly and I doubt it will sell well. I think Subaru
is getting too far away from their roots.

 

[jabario]

I love the AWD system but I wouldnt call the engine "advanced" . Oil
seal issues, mediocer mileage, and difficulty in performing basic
service (spark plugs) are among the issues. Hey, I love my OBW and
wouldnt hesitate to buy another if Subaru goes back to what made it
special to begin with-- rugged unique appearance, practical interior,
reasonable price plus the AWD and ABS etc. However in 3 or 4 years
when I need a new vehicle, I wont consider Subaru if all their models
are like the tribeca and are pricey. I'd rather buy an American made
vehicle and a good extended warranty and will save a lot of money. The
stereo is not a big deal--If I can change it. The stereo in my 04 OBW
pretty much sucked. With a new Kenwood unit and pioneer speakers I
cant complain. I hope I can get 200k mile or more. Subaru needs to
realize that its core audience of teachers, hippies, postmen etc will
not spend $35k when there are a LOT of alternatives.

 

[Bart]

I think the biggest thing I don't like is the "snout."

If the grill didn't look so snout-like, I think the Tribeca might be ok
looking

 

[Nicolaas]

Right off the bat...Honda Pilot, Toyota Forerunner, Isuzu Axiom, Mitsubishi
Endevour, Mercury Mountaineer, Acura TL, well any Acura, Chrysler Crossfire,
BMW X3, Mercedes C240, Jeep Liberty Sport are some of the vehicles that I
would choose before a Tribeca.

 

[Nicolaas]

SO SO WRONG. I wouldn't pay $30,000 for any vehicle. I was saying
(hypothetically) there are a lot of vehicles that I would buy before a
dished out $30,000+ for a Tribeca.
Lighten up!

 

[Nicolaas]

You guys can call me a troll if that makes you happy.
I own a 2005 OBW 2.5i. I came to this discussion group to discuss Subies,
both positive and negative aspects of Subaru.

 

[Nicolaas]

I agree about the stereo. The standard Subie stereo sucks.

 

[John A. Mason]

Right off the bat...Honda Pilot, Toyota Forerunner, Isuzu Axiom,
Mitsubishi
Endevour, Mercury Mountaineer, Acura TL, well any Acura, Chrysler
Crossfire, BMW X3, Mercedes C240, Jeep Liberty Sport are some of the
vehicles that I would choose before a Tribeca.

Nicholas,
With all of those vehicles that you prefer over Subaru, why don't you get
one? What's the point? You won't find the features that make Subaru great in
any of those vehicles. A Crossfire? Come on! I love the car, but it's a
piece of trash compared to the Subaru. Acura? What does Acura have that's as
good as Subaru's AWD/VDC? And none of those vehicles have a boxer engine...
the only inherently vibration free design available commercially. It does
seem as if you are trolling for some kind of reaction, given that you like
so many other vehicles over Subaru. I don't know if you are making a
distinction between Subaru's and the Tribeca however. My '02 VDC Sedan
listed for $32,000. It's just about the most expensive Subaru you could get.
There's no way I could get all/any of the Subaru advantages in any other car
in it's price range.
John

 

[jabario]

The Axiom gives the same features as the Subaru and any Isuzu built in
Japan is bulletproof!!!. If my OBW were stolen/totaled soon, I'd buy
the Jeep unlimited before I got a "redesigned" Outback. I might get a
Baja if the 05 prices dropped as low as the 03's did (18000). I too
would buy a 4runner for 30k+ brfore I bought a tribeca or new model
subaru. I dont nor will ever consider Subaru a "luxury" or premium
brand (I still remember the 70's with the spare under the hood) .
Subarus appeal to individuals not the me-too crowd. This redesign
attempted to make the outback a luxury car but it isnt. Subaru has
always had a great deal of brand loyalty but that is eroding. WAke up
Subaru!! Give people what they need not what you think or they think
they want

 

[Generic]

I think the biggest thing I don't like is the "snout."

If the grill didn't look so snout-like, I think the Tribeca might be ok
looking

Yeah, I can't stand that part or the pointed "nose" on Mitsubishis. The
Tribeca looks squished (accordion) from the rear, but it's tolerable and
growing on me.

-John

 

[Larry Van Wormer]

John A. Mason wrote:
And none of those vehicles have a boxer engine...

the only inherently vibration free design available commercially.

While I like my Impreza, *and* it's boxer engine, quite a lot, there's
no way that engine is as smooth as any competently designed straight 6,
which is a design that has inherent perfect balance. (In fact, the Subie
engine isn't as smooth as many good straight 4's, despite it's inherent
design advantage. Maybe the other makers know more about vibration
isolation?)

I like the "grumble" of the Subie engine, but I'd never call it
especially smooth!

Larry Van Wormer

 

[Rob Munach]

Nicholas,
With all of those vehicles that you prefer over Subaru, why don't you get
one? What's the point? You won't find the features that make Subaru great in
any of those vehicles. A Crossfire? Come on! I love the car, but it's a
piece of trash compared to the Subaru. Acura? What does Acura have that's as
good as Subaru's AWD/VDC? And none of those vehicles have a boxer engine...
the only inherently vibration free design available commercially.

Actaully, the I6 in the BMW is inherently smoother than a boxer.

It does

 

[Nicolaas]

"With all of those vehicles that you prefer over Subaru, why don't you get
one?"

Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, is it?
I was discussing a $30,000+ vehicle. I would never pay that much for a Subie
(or any vehicle). I was saying that there are a lot of other vehicles that I
would choose before I would consider a Tribeca. (a hypothetical statement)
I paid $22,800 for my 05 OBW, and quite frankly, I don't think that I got my
money's worth.