Should you buy a Subaru?

J

Jim Stewart

I'm the proud owner of a '99 Outback and a '04
WRX (my wife's actually, but I encouraged her to
buy it) so I know something about Subarus.

I've listened to complaints about reliablility
and gas milage on this group for months and I'd
like to vent my opinion.

If you want 28 mpg, buy a Honda Accord.

If you want a bulletproof engine, buy a Honda
Accord.

If you want a plain-vanilla car, buy a Honda
Accord.

Subarus are none of the above. If you want to
have an exceptional car that does things that
a Honda Accord could never hope to do, buy a
Subaru. And don't complain if it's not a
Honda Accord.
 
yup, I don't expect my 92 Subaru Legacy AWD wagon to last much longer ... 220k
miles now and I bet by 300k it will be time to get rid of it.

jw
milwaukee
 
Jim Stewart said:
I'm the proud owner of a '99 Outback and a '04
WRX (my wife's actually, but I encouraged her to
buy it) so I know something about Subarus.

I've listened to complaints about reliablility
and gas milage on this group for months and I'd
like to vent my opinion.

If you want 28 mpg, buy a Honda Accord.

If you want a bulletproof engine, buy a Honda
Accord.

If you want a plain-vanilla car, buy a Honda
Accord.

Subarus are none of the above. If you want to
have an exceptional car that does things that
a Honda Accord could never hope to do, buy a
Subaru. And don't complain if it's not a
Honda Accord.

I've been kind of mystified about the reliability complaints. 167,000 miles
and all I've bought (beside maintenence items) is an alternator and two
cheap sensors? I don't have much record of what came before my ownership at
108,000 miles, but during the warranty period only a few things were
replaced, at least by Subaru that I have record of.

Gas mileage should be a no-brainer. It's AWD. More moving parts = more
drag. Not to mention the extra weight added by the crash safety. Then
there's the issue of the nut behind the wheel - most of the gas mileage
posts I've read start or end with a sentence that goes along the line of
"...and I'm a very good driver." Well, that's a matter of perspective. At
16, I thought I was a good driver. I also thought I was a good driver at
21. I'll tell you this, at 25 I wouldn't willingly get into a car with
myself at either of those ages or anything in between. (I think I'm a good
driver now, though, but ask again when I'm 30.) And how many of us have
gotten into a car with another "good driver" and been gripping the armrest
and making involuntary jabs at the nonexistent brake pedal on the
passenger-side floor.

Anyway, I know this much. When I got my Subaru, I expected lower gas
mileage. And as expected, the gas mileage from the 2.2L Subie was the same
as the mileage from my 3.8L Ford. (22 MPG mixed driving) After gas hit
$2.00 a gallon though, I decided that I was going to make some changes to my
driving style. Suddenly, I was getting 26 MPG mixed driving. Not bad for a
10 year old car with AWD.

I also find it amusing that one of the big complaints USED to be power.
"Needs more power" was what you'd find in the summary of many automotive
publications reviewing a Subaru. Now we've got 200 and 300 HP Subarus
flying around out there and power is more than adequate, but of course those
bigger boxers are going to consume a bit more fuel.

About Honda, I've got no complaints. When my friend was in the market for a
new car, he was initially drawn to Subaru. It's a long, pointless story as
to HOW it happened, but anyway he ended up with a Honda Civic. He's had it
for a year. He's had no problems. He's happy with it, but he's about as
happy with his Civic as he is with his new refrigerator. As in, his Honda
is an appliance. It's boring. Everyone has one it seems, there are about 8
on his street and 3 have the same paint job and exterior options as his.
And although he is happy with his purchase, he often talks about wanting
"something more unique."

I can totally relate. I had a clone car once. That Mercury Sable was so
prolific in these parts that THREE times over the course of my ownership I
accidentally entered someone else's identical Mercury Sable that was parked
near mine. I can tell you that will never happen with my '95 Outback - over
4 years of ownership, I've only seen about 5 of them in the area, and two of
those were at the dealer. Only one was the same color as mine.

-Matt
 
Hallraker said:
I've been kind of mystified about the reliability complaints. 167,000 miles
and all I've bought (beside maintenence items) is an alternator and two
cheap sensors? I don't have much record of what came before my ownership at
108,000 miles, but during the warranty period only a few things were
replaced, at least by Subaru that I have record of.

Me too. My Outback is 500 miles short of the big 100k
and all I've ever changed is 2 sets brake pads and
the usual timing belt suspects.
Gas mileage should be a no-brainer. It's AWD. More moving parts = more
drag. Not to mention the extra weight added by the crash safety. Then
there's the issue of the nut behind the wheel - most of the gas mileage
posts I've read start or end with a sentence that goes along the line of
"...and I'm a very good driver." Well, that's a matter of perspective. At
16, I thought I was a good driver. I also thought I was a good driver at
21. I'll tell you this, at 25 I wouldn't willingly get into a car with
myself at either of those ages or anything in between. (I think I'm a good
driver now, though, but ask again when I'm 30.) And how many of us have
gotten into a car with another "good driver" and been gripping the armrest
and making involuntary jabs at the nonexistent brake pedal on the
passenger-side floor.

Something like 70% of US drivers claim they are
"above average" drivers.
Anyway, I know this much. When I got my Subaru, I expected lower gas
mileage. And as expected, the gas mileage from the 2.2L Subie was the same
as the mileage from my 3.8L Ford. (22 MPG mixed driving) After gas hit
$2.00 a gallon though, I decided that I was going to make some changes to my
driving style. Suddenly, I was getting 26 MPG mixed driving. Not bad for a
10 year old car with AWD.

I also find it amusing that one of the big complaints USED to be power.
"Needs more power" was what you'd find in the summary of many automotive
publications reviewing a Subaru. Now we've got 200 and 300 HP Subarus
flying around out there and power is more than adequate, but of course those
bigger boxers are going to consume a bit more fuel.

The Outback and the 2.5l engine is an excellent performer
for me. I've been up in the mountains with 4 or 5 adults
and with an occasional downshift to 4th, the car kept up
with anyone.
About Honda, I've got no complaints. When my friend was in the market for a
new car, he was initially drawn to Subaru. It's a long, pointless story as
to HOW it happened, but anyway he ended up with a Honda Civic. He's had it
for a year. He's had no problems. He's happy with it, but he's about as
happy with his Civic as he is with his new refrigerator. As in, his Honda
is an appliance. It's boring. Everyone has one it seems, there are about 8
on his street and 3 have the same paint job and exterior options as his.
And although he is happy with his purchase, he often talks about wanting
"something more unique."

Boring. And where I live, everyone has one, a beige
Accord at that.

My wife originally bought the Outback for herself and
ski trips. The manual clutch was damaging her knee
so she gave it to me and bought the Accord. After about
3 years with the Accord (and zero problems) she was
sick of it and wanted something a little more fun
and different so we got her a 2004 WRX with an automatic.
She's in love with the car and I think it's great.

She likes the looks the boys give her until they
realize she's 50+ years old :)
 
Jim Stewart said:
That's a group that needs a 12-step program. No,
not anywhere near as bad as that.

hahaha... I'm going to have to check that group out. Volvos always struck
me as being like that kid in school who was actually normal and for some
reason tried to be weird, rather than like the kid who was just plain weird
and wanted to fit in. In other words, quite an ordinary car that tries to
market itself as something unique.

-Matt
 
Hallraker said:
hahaha... I'm going to have to check that group out. Volvos always struck
me as being like that kid in school who was actually normal and for some
reason tried to be weird, rather than like the kid who was just plain weird
and wanted to fit in. In other words, quite an ordinary car that tries to
market itself as something unique.

As a one-time motorcycle commuter, it's my lifelong
duty to curse the name Volvo whenever possible. Nothing
strikes terror and disgust quicker in a biker's heart
and mind than that badge and diagonal slash in the
rear view mirror.

If you doubt me, just google volvo and motorcycle.
 
As a one-time motorcycle commuter, it's my lifelong
duty to curse the name Volvo whenever possible. Nothing
strikes terror and disgust quicker in a biker's heart
and mind than that badge and diagonal slash in the
rear view mirror.

If you doubt me, just google volvo and motorcycle.

Interesting material to read there, especially considering that I'm hoping
to get a motorcycle in a few years. Except, sometimes I think I'm the only
driver who sees them. Heck, sometimes I think I'm the only driver who sees
anything. It's a difficult scenario to accurately describe without drawing
a diagram on paper, but I once threw my vehicle into the path of an oncoming
Suburban (complete with driver on cell phone) because if I hadn't they would
have blocked or possibly collided with an ambulance that was flying through,
sirens blaring. Yeah, they were so into their phone conversation they
didn't hear that.

Anyway, I'm going to have to watch out for Volvos now. At least when in my
Subaru, most of my "near misses" have been with Dodge Ram trucks and
Pontiacs, although my two actual collisions were with an 80's Dodge SUV and
a 90's Chevy W/T.

-Matt
 
Anyway, I'm going to have to watch out for Volvos now. At least when in
my Subaru, most of my "near misses" have been with Dodge Ram trucks and
Pontiacs, although my two actual collisions were with an 80's Dodge SUV
and a 90's Chevy W/T.

Friends of ours are BMW drivers and they say every accident they have had
involved a Subaru?! (3 so far).
 
Fuzzy Logic said:
Friends of ours are BMW drivers and they say every accident they have had
involved a Subaru?! (3 so far).
Probably because your friends keep staring at Subarus... !

H
 
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Fuzzy said:
Friends of ours are BMW drivers and they say every accident they have had
involved a Subaru?! (3 so far).

Most of the accidents that I have had to take radical evasive action to
avoid would have been caused by people driving BMWs
 
mY 1995 wINDSTAR HAD 207k ON IT..i EXPECT ANOTHER 100k...rUNNING LIKE AT
TOP! nO OIL, ORIGINAL TRANS...

lOVE IT
 
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Henry said:
I would agree. A Bimmer almost ran me off the road today. Thank heavens for
AWD!!

It is like the chicken and the egg quandary. Does someone have to be an
A.H., to buy a BMW, or does owning a BMW cause otherwise "normal" people
to drive like an A.H. ?????

If it wasn't for the excellent ABS brakes and AWD on my Foresters, I
would have been Bimmer "road kill" several years ago.
 
[email protected] (Todd H.) said:
Anyone know the difference bewteen a BMW and a porcupine?

The pricks are on the indies, har har har.

Actually, I sit on *top* of my Beemer, thankyou. And, like my Subaru,
it has God's Own engine layout.

-- Bruce
 
You know I really can't say for sure. I ran up against one today. Really
obnoxious driver. It was like he had something to prove or something. I
don't know. In defense of Bimmers, I do have a friend that owns one and he
is nice to me. I can't vouch for his driving style though. Interesting.
 
What year is it? One of my old college professors is selling an '83 for
~$1,200 I think it is. I have been thinking about whether or not I have what
it takes to ride one. :)
 

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