New to Subaru

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by André Conradie, Oct 17, 2003.

  1. Hi

    I'm from South Africa where Subarus are really scarce. Since my attention
    was drawn to Subaru I've read up a lot and decided that our next car will be
    a Forester - although I find them really ugly. (New model better though).
    The whole package of a safe, reliable car, that likes bad roads, appeals to
    me.

    I have a few questions though:
    1. If boxer engines are that good, why are not more cars fitted with them?
    2. Are the Foresters prone to rattles? - this wont affect my buying
    decision.
    3. Manual or Auto?
    4: Biggest question: We can get the previous model (2000-2001) with normal
    2l engine for about R120 000 ($15 000) less than the new 2,5l. It seems to
    be a bargain, but are the 2l not underpowered (turbo excluded)?
    5. What about quality of previous model?

    Any information, especially on the pros/cons as mentioned in 4 & 5, will be
    much appreciated. I need to make a decision between waiting about a year to
    be able to afford new Forester, or buy older one now.

    ( FYI: I've looked for a 2nd hand Forester, and all the cars (about 4) were
    available due to owners buying their second Forester in a row! Dealers here
    also do not worry about customer service (to find 2nd hand vehicles for
    prospective buyers) as it seems that there are buyers aplenty. )

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    May the Springboks beat England tomorrow. Please!

    Regards

    Andre

    All other things being equal - fat people still uses more soap.
     
    André Conradie, Oct 17, 2003
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    Bruce Hoult Guest

    The Legacy and Outback are equally happy with bad New Zealand unsealed
    roads. I guess it just depends on *how* bad :) The Forester certainyl
    has more clearance than the other two.

    They cost more to manufacture.

    Pure preference. What sort of driving do you do? If you're in traffic
    jams a lot, get auto. If you frequently go on roads that are *so* bad
    you have to go at walking pace then get an auto or a manula with a
    high/low range (I don't know if they sell those in SA ... they do in NZ
    but don't seem to in the USA).

    My sister has a 2.0L manual Forester (which I've driven quite a bit). I
    have a 2.5L auto Legacy wagon. Neither has any trouble in the hills in
    NZ, but the 2.5 *is* a bit quicker even with the heavier car and auto
    transmission.

    A friend has a 2.0L twin turbo manual Legacy wagon. That *does* feel
    quite underpowered below 2000 RPM, but by the time the turbo starts
    helping around 2000 - 2500 RPM it's a little stronger than my 2.5 (and
    totally incomparable after 3000...). I've tried doing 0 - 100 km/h in
    it and have trouble beating 10 seconds without feeling that I'm abusing
    the car. Apparently it'll do about 6 in the right hands. In my 2.5
    auto you can just plant boot and be at 100 km/h just under nine seconds
    later -- every time, no fuss, no hassle. But after 100 km/h the turbo
    just leaps out to silly speeds. Not as quick as my 1100cc BMW bike
    (which does 0 - 100 in around 4 seconds), but pretty darn fast. My 2.5
    Legacy gets lethargic once it changes into 3rd gear at around 110 km/h.

    -- Bruce
     
    Bruce Hoult, Oct 17, 2003
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    Todd H. Guest

    Another aspect of this ansewr is that Subaru's parent company is Fuji
    Heavy Industries...and they cut their teeth making aircraft engines,
    so this design is one that's quite familiar to them.
     
    Todd H., Oct 17, 2003
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    Jim Stewart Guest

    Every original VW bug and van had one. Seems like a lot to
    me.

    Every light plane has one too, where power/weight and
    reliability matters.
    My Legacy Outback is not. I would assume the same with
    a Forrester.
    Manual, but it's your decision
    I'll let someone else take this one. I have the 2.5 L and like it.
     
    Jim Stewart, Oct 17, 2003
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    John Guest

    I have a few questions though:
    And Porsches have boxers too (most their models at least)
     
    John, Oct 18, 2003
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    Gilles Gour Guest

    And at least one model of Ferrari. That's good company!
     
    Gilles Gour, Oct 18, 2003
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    TG Guest

    I guess you should drive one to see if the power is adequate. The 2.2 is
    more reliable than the 2.5 and smoother off idle...at least some recent
    years. TG
     
    TG, Oct 18, 2003
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    Alan Shein Guest

    The Forrester actually has .6 inch *less* clearance. Check out the specs.
     
    Alan Shein, Oct 18, 2003
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    Douglas Barr Guest

    5. What about quality of previous model?

    Every year here in the UK, J D Power do a survey of 2 year old cars and
    their owners' opinions. Since around 1998 Subarus have scored highly. I
    can't remember which years these were, but one year the Impreza came top
    with the Legacy second. The following year, the positions were reversed.
    Last year, the Impreza was down around position 30 (out of 170) and the
    Legacy was about 12th. The Forester was in the top 5.

    Quality and reliability don't seem to be huge problems in the UK.

    Doug
     
    Douglas Barr, Oct 18, 2003
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    Pete D Guest

    But much, much better takeoff and departure angles.
     
    Pete D, Oct 18, 2003
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  11. Hi

    Thanks all for replies:

    I have a perception that the Forester will be more at home on dirt roads
    than the Outback. This is solely from the more rugged looks of the Forester.
    Is this true. Are both cars equally well protected from stones,etc. I have
    sort of set my hart on a Forester, but may still be convinced towards the
    Outback, although I dont like the price difference.
     
    André Conradie, Oct 19, 2003
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    Jim Stewart Guest

    We preferred the highway ride of the Outback over
    the Forester. I don't think you'll go wrong with
    either.
     
    Jim Stewart, Oct 19, 2003
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    Alan Shein Guest

    Drive them both and see. If you get the Forrester, get the XT. The OBW is
    more comfortable,handles better, and nicer. The XT is faster and _maybe_
    holds a bit more stuff (debateable depending on the size and shape of what
    you need to carry.).
     
    Alan Shein, Oct 19, 2003
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    Diva Guest

    Have you driven each of them? I was going for the Forester too until I drove
    the Outback. The Outback is so much nicer, I think.

    June
     
    Diva, Oct 20, 2003
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    Pete D Guest

    I have an OBW but missed the real offroad ability so got a older Suzuki
    Sierra as well to get into the real offroad areas for fishing .
     
    Pete D, Oct 21, 2003
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  16. Can't speak for offroad ability, because I don't go offroad. The choice
    depends on you. The Forester is based on the Impreza platform, so it's a
    little shorter. There's not as much length in the tailgate as in the
    Outback (built on the Legacy platform).

    However, if you're tall, the Forester gives you more headroom. This is
    particularly an issue if you're tall and you get a sunroof on the Outback.

    Erik
     
    J. Erik Hemdal, Oct 24, 2003
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