My Subaru enthusiasm has been dampened

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by lkreh, Feb 15, 2007.

  1. lkreh

    lkreh Guest

    Took my 99 OBW (2.5L) to the dealer for some regular service at
    130,000. The car has been very well maintained and garaged. I was
    told that the cam and crank seals are leaking (they were already
    replaced at 105,000 miles), there's a slight transmission leak and the
    head gasket is on its way out. I'm looking at a repair bill that's
    about half the value of the car (I'm not going to have the repairs
    done). Was it unrealistic to expect the car to run longer than this
    without needing major engine work? Are newer Subarus with the 2.5L
    likely to last any longer than this? Anyone want to talk me into
    another Subaru or should I look elsewhere?

    Where I used to work, we had a fleet of Ford Tauruses that all ran
    well beyond 130,000 miles without needing any major engine work...
    lkreh, Feb 15, 2007
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    bgd Guest

    Given the longevity of the taureses with thier sideways lopsidedness...
    Subaru ought to be embarassed.
    The 2.5 is not as good as the reputation subaru has had in the past.
    It is going backwards and it is disturbing. The past was better in more
    ways than I can't even think of... and they are going extinct. find a 2.2 or
    a 2.0 or my favorite, the slow poke ea series soobs of the 80s (by far the
    most reputable). for cheaper than the cost of thier repairs...
    bgd, Feb 15, 2007
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  3. lkreh

    .._.. Guest

    Did you put the coolant conditioner in at 105k that is supposed to protect
    against that?

    What brand who did the original work? Maybe you got cheap parts last time

    there's a slight transmission leak and the
    You got lucky. How bout them transmissions? Keep a stock of replacements
    out back to just drop in or something?
    .._.., Feb 15, 2007
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    BobN Guest

    My 98 OBL with the same motor has twice that mileage and is great. It has
    never needed a head gasket. If the oil seals are leaking already I would say
    they were improperly installed.

    What evidence does the dealer have to support the claim that the head gasket
    is "on its way out"? I don't believe you can tell unless it starts to leak.
    BobN, Feb 15, 2007
  5. lkreh

    lkreh Guest

    I guess in response to your post and others...

    All maintenance has been done by dealer with OEM parts.

    According to the dealer, the coolant conditioner does not help/prevent
    internal HG leak. It's aimed at external coolant leak on different
    version of the 2.5L.

    As far as my HG status, dealer saw contamination in coolant which
    would indicate internal leak.
    lkreh, Feb 15, 2007
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    daszkiew2000 Guest

    Did you mean "contamination of oil"? - internal leak means that the
    coolant leaks into the cylinder through fire ring of HG, so it's oil
    that will be contaminated with ethyl glycol.... If there's a
    "contamination in coolant" - external HG leak occurs and you are
    lucky :) By the way, I never pay attention to what "dealer" says for
    all he says is for $$$$ ( read : " it's a BS")
    daszkiew2000, Feb 15, 2007
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    Edward Hayes Guest

    Sorry to hear about your problem. My 00 Forester with 116,000 miles
    has had no real issues or problems. I suggest a second opinion on the
    HG issue.
    Edward Hayes, Feb 15, 2007
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    CompUser Guest>,
    says... that's getting a bit deep!
    CompUser, Feb 16, 2007
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    Dean Hoffman Guest

    Did he run any further tests? A compression test and a radiator
    pressure test would probably tell the story for sure.

    Dean Hoffman, Feb 17, 2007
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    Kevin Hall Guest

    This 'coolant conditioner' deal is a boondoggle. You don't substitute snake
    oil for good engineering. The stock head gaskets on the 2.5 engines are
    crap, Suby knows they're crap and they are using the 'conditioner' to get
    the wretched things through their warranty period.

    Head gaskets on our '99 Fartster went and were replaced twice under warranty
    ( badly, by 2 different dealerships) and once by a private garage ( well,
    with aftermarket gaskets which don't leak.)

    The Suby is great to drive, but design flaws, cons like 'coolant
    conditioner' and truly rotten service guarantee I'll be driving another
    brand next time 'round.
    Kevin Hall, Feb 18, 2007
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    Sammi Guest

    That's interesting. Looks like you have a lemon or the dealer/mechanic didn't do a good repair
    job. For a car with 130k shouldn't have problem like that.

    My 03 Forester only 4 years old but has 180k already (mostly highway of course). And, touch
    wood, no problems whatsover. I don't go to dealer first of all. I found they rip me off with
    simple jobs like oil change. But I do have a good mechanic and I follow his regular maintenence
    (not as often as the dealer suggested) every 50k. I do regular oil changes of course. And so
    far so good.

    I understand your concern. You can try other cars (without the benefits of AWD) or try another
    Sammi, Mar 13, 2007
  12. lkreh

    lkreh Guest

    According to Consumer Reports, my problems are common ones. CR's SUV
    buying guide gives the engine in the first gen Outbacks a solid black
    circle rating (worst possible).
    lkreh, Mar 14, 2007
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    Al Guest

    I can vouch for that. My '96 was a piece of crap. My wife got stranded
    about 6 times before they figured out it was an intermittent crank

    Al, Mar 14, 2007
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    Todd H. Guest

    What, was she triggering it from the driver's seat?

    [ba dahmp bump]

    Apologies in advance. Comedy is about timed risk taking. :)
    Todd H., Mar 14, 2007
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    Al Guest


    You know, maybe you are right ;-)

    BTW, I took the "bad" crank sensor and examined it for continuty under
    different conditions. I also examined it with my X-ray equipment. All it
    is, is a coil that picks up magnetic pulses from a magnet mounted, I
    think, on the flywheel. I could not find anything wrong with it. I now
    suspect that there was a problem with the connector, but can't prove it
    as the vehicle is long gone. If I had known where it was, I would have
    made and broken the connection a few times before I took it to the
    dealer and if I had a clue that that might be the problem. It has been
    my experince that sometimes intermittent problems can be traced to
    contaminated/oxidized contacts on connectors. Once this is cleared,
    normal operation can resume. But, hey, the dealer wouldn't make much
    money on just breaking and making the connection a couple of times.

    Al, Mar 15, 2007
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