Legacy Estate Vs Volvo XC70 Estate off road

[Marcus]

Hi all,

Saw this clip on youtube.com, thought some of you might enjoy watching it.

Well worth a look

 

[isquat]

Hi all,

Saw this clip on youtube.com, thought some of you might enjoy watching it.

This was available and posted here long before the wizards of business
development
at Ford propagated the same shit into the 500. On the plus side once
you get
stuck you can practice your carmasutra in the spacious trunk.

 

[Blair Baucom]

This was available and posted here long before the wizards of business
development
at Ford propagated the same shit into the 500. On the plus side once
you get
stuck you can practice your carmasutra in the spacious trunk.

LMAO

Blair

 

[M.J.]

Hi all,

Saw this clip on youtube.com, thought some of you might enjoy watching it.

Why didn't they disable AWD on the Subaru also.
It would have made the comparison worthwile.

M.J.

 

[bigjim]

What makes you think the volvo had AWD disabled? Maybe they just
suck?

 

[M.J.]

What makes you think the volvo had AWD disabled? Maybe they just
suck?

You blind or an idiot?

M.J.

 

[M.J.]

What makes you think the volvo had AWD disabled? Maybe they just
suck?

You blind or an idiot?[/QUOTE]


My apologies I take the idiot back. It seems Volvo is making idiots
out of people claiming their cars have AWD, of sorts. See below
article titled:

How come Volvo can claim they have full time AWD even though primarely
only two wheels are powered?


http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/volvo.html

M.J.

 

[Bonehenge]

How come Volvo can claim they have full time AWD even though primarely
only two wheels are powered?

The same way Subaru does?

"It transfers the power from the wheels that slip to the wheels that
grip."

Some Subies use electric friction clutches just like Honda's "Real
Time 4WD. "

Other Subies have real AWD with center diffs and full-time drive.

 

[M.J.]

The same way Subaru does?

If you look carefully at the video it appears, not definite, but it
appears to me that the Subaru is a manual transmission car-
the guy looks for a brief moment to be shifting a manual gear.
If this were the case the the Subaru would have had a 50/50
torque split between front and rear wheels. The Volvo is 95/5
making it practically a FWD car. Not very good comparison.

This video cannot be judged without hearing and understanding
the commentary.

M.J.

 

[isquat]

appears to me that the Subaru is a manual transmission car-
the guy looks for a brief moment to be shifting a manual gear.
If this were the case the the Subaru would have had a 50/50
torque split between front and rear wheels. The Volvo is 95/5
making it practically a FWD car. Not very good comparison.

This video cannot be judged without hearing and understanding
the commentary.

sure it can be judged as a silent movie.
Haldex is a piece of shit. always have been and still is.
It can be found on audi A3, TT, assorted vulvas and now ford 500.

I think RAV4 and CR-V have something along the same lines
of awd-on-demand (meaning too late to have any use whatsoever).

 

[Phil]

The Volvo is 95/5 making it practically a FWD car.

The XC70 Cross Country comes in both FWD and AWD guises, and that one is
clearly a FWD model as you originally stated, not a part time AWD.

If it was one of the AWD versions it wouldn't stand there with the back
wheels doing nothing once the fronts were spinning...

 

[Marcus]

Er no, XC70 only sold as AWD, V70 was the FWD model

--
Best Regards

Mark

It's time to add some chlorine to the gene pool !

 

[CE]

If you look carefully at the video it appears, not definite, but it
appears to me that the Subaru is a manual transmission car-
the guy looks for a brief moment to be shifting a manual gear.
If this were the case the the Subaru would have had a 50/50
torque split between front and rear wheels. The Volvo is 95/5
making it practically a FWD car. Not very good comparison.

This video cannot be judged without hearing and understanding
the commentary.

M.J.

As the Subaru drives up the hill the commentator says that the Subaru has a
full time four wheel drive with a 50/50 split.
Before he tries to drive the Volvo up the hill, he states that both cars are
automatic and have the exact same tires. Before he tries the Volvo a second
time, he says that Volvo claims they have to apply more throttle, and as the
Volvo fails again, the commentator says that the Volvo has a 95/5 split and
that the rear should get more when the front is slipping.


CE

 

[isquat]

clearly a FWD model as you originally stated, not a part time AWD.

If it was one of the AWD versions it wouldn't stand there with the back
wheels doing nothing once the fronts were spinning...

Pay attention to the video. The rears are spinning a
little bit, but not nearly enough to have any effect.

 

[staffann]

As a swede (therfore being able to understad what is said in the
movie) I can confirm that the Volvo in the clip is a V70XC, meaning it
is 2002 or earlier and has the old viscous (passive) coupling. Don't
confuse this with the
Haldex system used from 2003 (the car was at the same time renamed to
XC70) - the two are like night and day. The Haldex is used both in
Volvo and Ford Freestyle. For more technical info see the Haldex
website: www.haldex-traction.com.

Strange how these old videos can pop up every now and then and every
time be misunderstood. Is it done deliberatly, are do people just
assume what they want to assume???

 

[isquat]

confuse this with the
Haldex system used from 2003 (the car was at the same time renamed to
XC70) - the two are like night and day. The Haldex is used both in
Volvo and Ford Freestyle. For more technical info see the Haldex
website:www.haldex-traction.com.

Strange how these old videos can pop up every now and then and every
time be misunderstood. Is it done deliberatly, are do people just
assume what they want to assume???

What we want to assume. Bottom line is: it's part time. And 60ms is
way too slow. End of story.
You have a video of a drifting XC70?

 

[AS]

For some reason the outback seems to have better traction than a cat
wearing horse-shoes.

I remember about 5 years ago, one of the automotive magazines brought
several suvs to the sand dunes, and the subaru would go up like nothing
while the others could not. The only problem they found was the small
ground clearance.

 

[Ed]

As a swede (therfore being able to understad what is said in the
movie) I can confirm that the Volvo in the clip is a V70XC, meaning it
is 2002 or earlier and has the old viscous (passive) coupling. Don't
confuse this with the
Haldex system used from 2003 (the car was at the same time renamed to
XC70) - the two are like night and day. The Haldex is used both in
Volvo and Ford Freestyle. For more technical info see the Haldex
website: www.haldex-traction.com.

I was unable to find anything at this website that explains the
different AWD systems on each of the cars that use Haldex. So which AWD
system does the newer Volvo use and where can we find any specs.

I find it interesting that Haldex claims you can have different sized
tires and not damage their AWD system.

 

[DS]

I believe Volvo has used the Haldex system for about 5-6 years now. Previous
to that, the system they used was inferior in performance and reliability.
The video clip is definitely of an older system-equipped Volvo.
DS

 

[isquat]

I was unable to find anything at this website that explains the
different AWD systems on each of the cars that use Haldex. So which AWD
system does the newer Volvo use and where can we find any specs.

I find it interesting that Haldex claims you can have different sized
tires and not damage their AWD system.

That's because it's an awd-on-demand crap with 60ms activation time:
zero use for spirited cornering. It's probably barely enough for an
elderly board members not to get stuck on their way up to their ski
chalets up in the sierras. Amen to that.

I can't wait for Acura to slice a very sharp TSX katana
up the arses of the makers of the crappy awd systems that are abundant
on the market these days. Though people have bought
that part time garbage before despite the availability of Subaru
and audi systems and probably would buy in the future.

Some cretins are just flush with cash.