Is The 60,000 Mile Service Necessary?

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davesixtythree

Hi All, I Just got a used 04 forester XT with 55,000 miles. Question,
is The 60,000 mile service
really necessary.At $600.00 this would raise the cents per mile that
I'm trying to keep as low as possible! I do however plan 105,000 mile
service with the timing belt replacement. What do you think? If money
were no object I'd follow the book (The Tribeca or Lexus book) but it
is!
I want to get at least 200,000 mile on this car. Any advice on Subaru
would be most
welcome. Thanks
 
Look at your manual for the recommended service and do as much as
you're able. You will find much is looking for leaks etc. I think the
coolant change, brake fluid change and of course engine oil are
necessary if you want to achieve 200,000 miles. The transmission &
differential changes depend on whether you drive under sever
conditions which are outlined in your service book. ed
 
Consider doing some of the work yourself. The air and fuel filter
changes are easy as can be and I found the spark plugs to be rather
easy. Your local shop should be able to perform the brake fluid changes
rather inexpensively.

-Kurt
 
Hi All, I Just got a used 04 forester XT with 55,000 miles. Question,
is The 60,000 mile service
really necessary.At $600.00 this would raise the cents per mile that
I'm trying to keep as low as possible! I do however plan 105,000 mile
service with the timing belt replacement. What do you think? If money
were no object I'd follow the book (The Tribeca or Lexus book) but it
is!
I want to get at least 200,000 mile on this car. Any advice on Subaru
would be most
welcome. Thanks

At 60k mine was due for coolant resplacement, fuel filter replacement,
spark plug repalcement, and brake fluid replacement.

If you want the car to last to that age without having a failing
radiator or brake system, it'd behoove you to perform this
maintenance. $600 will seem cheap if you have to replace a radiator,
head gasket, master cylinder, or have an ABS brake issues due to lack
of these maintenance items.
 
Hi All, I Just got a used 04 forester XT with 55,000 miles. Question,
is The 60,000 mile service
really necessary.At $600.00 this would raise the cents per mile that
I'm trying to keep as low as possible! I do however plan 105,000 mile
service with the timing belt replacement. What do you think? If money
were no object I'd follow the book (The Tribeca or Lexus book) but it
is!
I want to get at least 200,000 mile on this car. Any advice on Subaru
would be most
welcome. Thanks

if you want to get 200,000 miles of any car, maintain it in the best
possible way.
Why people will spend $30,000 on a car and then complain about $25 oil
changes is beyond me.
 
Most who get high mileage cars do oil changes and minor maintenance
themselves. A $25 oil change for me includes Mobil 1 as I do it
myself. Get a K&N filter and it just gets cleaned but lasts forever.
Changing fluids esp tranny cant hurt since Jap auto trannys are
generally weak.
 
Hi All, I Just got a used 04 forester XT with 55,000 miles. Question,
is The 60,000 mile service
really necessary.At $600.00 this would raise the cents per mile that
I'm trying to keep as low as possible! I do however plan 105,000 mile
service with the timing belt replacement. What do you think? If money
were no object I'd follow the book (The Tribeca or Lexus book) but it
is!
I want to get at least 200,000 mile on this car. Any advice on Subaru
would be most
welcome. Thanks


If you must - stretch the service out over 3-4 pay periods. Inspect all
major fluids NOW and top off as required. Do the oil, then the brakes,
then the tranny if auto - try to spring for a full flush, if not, do the
drain/fill, then the coolant. If the car is running well and no CEL is
on, do the plugs last. But do it in as timely a fashion as possible.
Then, begin putting aside money for the next biggie - the timing belt!

Carl
 
Thanks much for the advice, I've done it both ways the Rav4 was just
traded in with 190,000. I spent $300.00 for a timing belt and alt.
belt. I never changed trans, antifreeze, gear oil, plugs, wires, brakes
or fuel filter. I did change oil and air filters myself. I had a Taurus
that I bought new I did the compleat book at the dealer ($$$$) and it
started to fall apart at 90,000, I know Fix Or Repair Daily. I'm just
looking for the gen. low down on Subaru. I just hate to pay for things
I don't have to.
 
@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
(e-mail address removed) says...
I'm just
looking for the gen. low down on Subaru. I just hate to pay for things
I don't have to.

The general low down is "do the factory service
schedule". Some of that you can do yourself and
save hugely over dealership gouging.

The other aspect is dealerships will add more
"dealer recommended" services to the factory
schedule list. These dealer add ons are mostly
just additional profit items, and not useful.
Make a list of the factory schedule and tell the
service person that is all you want done.

Expect to have to hold them to it, even after all
that. At my last Subaru service, they added a
$3.50 charge for topping off the washer fluid,
which I'd done the night before.
 
I want to get at least 200,000 mile on this car. Any advice on Subaru
would be most welcome. Thanks

Hi,

In another thread we were talking about a fellow who got a million miles
on his Saab. You'll see this quote in several of the reports on this car
if you Google it: "Gilbert attributes his vehicle's longevity, other
than being a Saab, to 'maintenance and rigorous fluid
replacement.'" In addition, at least one site reports he used "premium,
synthetic oil" though no brand was listed. (There's a fellow in the
Guinness book w/ 1.2 mil on a Honda who used Castrol Syntec--but I'd
suggest the "rigorous fluid replacement" part of the regimen was more
important than actual brand before someone jumps on that broken down
bandwagon.) Another site reports strict adherence to the book's
maintenance schedule.

Ok, what points am I trying to make? For longevity, CLEAN fluids are a
must. 200k miles is no longer "that far" for many cars today, assuming
decent maintenance.

Over and above that, look carefully at what the book says, NOT what the
dealer says. As mentioned, dealers will upsell when possible to make an
extra buck. Then, if time and/or money are tight (aren't they always?),
and you CAN'T do everything at once, prioritize the maintenance schedule
according to "this could kill me, this could kill the engine, this won't
hurt if I wait until next paycheck" kinds of things.

Tires, brakes and the braking system would be "this could kill me"
items. Timing belts, oil and filters would be "this could kill the
engine" items. Changing the spark plugs and gearbox oil could "wait
until next paycheck." You see where I'm going?

Figure out what maintenance items you can do yourself to save a buck or
two, or get "better" products for the same money. Example: my local
Jiffy Lube advertises a Pennzoil oil change for $39.95. You'll get up to
five qts of regular dino oil and a Pennzoil house-branded version of
Fram's bottom line filter. For the same $40, you can put five qts of
Mobil 1 and an OEM or "premium" aftermarket filter in there like Mobil 1
or Wix. Or you can go dino and "standard" filter for around $20. The
choice is yours! Then you can leave only the items you CAN'T do to the
dealer...

"Extra" maintenance, such as 3000 mile oil changes when the book says
5000 miles would fall under the definition of "rigorous" in my book, but
will NOT hurt the car! They MIGHT help, and will take a few extra
pennies from your pocket, but how many oil changes can you do for just
ONE extra car payment that you might be able to avoid by extending the
useful miles from your car? To err on the side of caution will probably
save you money in the long run.

Finally, when it comes to items like filters... you won't go wrong using
OEM filters throughout. They usually won't cost any more than "premium"
aftermarket items, and you know for sure they meet factory performance
specs (as opposed to simply meeting warranty requirements.) Items that
advertise "enhanced performance" are suspect, be they blue pills or
"million mile air filters." Use them at your own risk. "Cheap"
aftermarket filters may or may not serve well, depending on the overall
maintenance schedule. For example, a $2.50 house branded oil filter w/
"no name" $1.50/qt dino oil that meets the appropriate API or other
specs, changed every 2500 miles, will probably serve as well as (if not
better than) stretching a $10 filter w/ $6/qt synthetic oil out to 10k
mile change intervals. As with many things, only controlled testing
(which most of us aren't equipped to do) will tell, so let's NOT start
THAT war again, it's just a suggestion.

Good luck!

Rick
 
Get over it- If K&N filters were so bad they wouldnt be as popular.
I'll spend $50 once for the life of the car rather than $20 every year.
Had a K&N in my Trooper and it lasted 145k miles until it was hit.
Engine seemed fine to me. Guess K&N filters arent so bad. I doubt my
Subaru will die early due to the K&N. I'll be rid of the car long
before the engine dies from use of a K&N filter. Then when Jeep sells
the wrangler unlimited in yellow I'll buy one and guess what-- I'm
putting a K&N in that too!!!!!
 
I disagree with your criticism of K&N filters. I too doubt they add 15
hp but the longevity and cleanability factor make them worthwhile.
After a day of dusty off road driving filter can be cleaned oiled and
ready to go again with full airflow. I wouldnt trust 10k miles on any
oil but some brands of cars recommend it and I guess will back it with
warranty if engine fails. I'm hooked on the Walmart full syntetic.
Price is great and changed at 5k will protect my engine for a long
time.
 
Get over it- If K&N filters were so bad they wouldnt be as popular.
I'll spend $50 once for the life of the car rather than $20 every year.
Had a K&N in my Trooper and it lasted 145k miles until it was hit.
Engine seemed fine to me. Guess K&N filters arent so bad. I doubt my
Subaru will die early due to the K&N. I'll be rid of the car long
before the engine dies from use of a K&N filter. Then when Jeep sells
the wrangler unlimited in yellow I'll buy one and guess what-- I'm
putting a K&N in that too!!!!!

I doubt oiled filters are quite as bad as the naysayers make out -
though there are tests that show they alloy more silicon (sand) in oil
analyses (but I wonder what the particle size is) and any HP gain is
minimal. There are also poor paper filters out there - so it depends on
what comparisons you wanna make.

I use OEM paper filters.

Carl
 
Hi All, I Just got a used 04 forester XT with 55,000 miles. Question,
is The 60,000 mile service
really necessary.At $600.00 this would raise the cents per mile that
I'm trying to keep as low as possible! I do however plan 105,000 mile
service with the timing belt replacement. What do you think? If money
were no object I'd follow the book (The Tribeca or Lexus book) but it
is!
I want to get at least 200,000 mile on this car. Any advice on Subaru
would be most
welcome. Thanks

Aside from a few things that need to be replaced (and most are well within
the abilities of anyone with any mechanical aptitude) most other service
items are of the 'check and adjust if needed' type. Timing rarely changes
on new cars. Valve adjustment can be expensive if the engine uses shims.
BUT ... shimmed valves rarely need adjustment. It's easy to check them
and you can save a few hundred dollars that the dealer would charge (their
price is usually worst case where they need to spend a few hours changing
out lots of shims). If they check OK, no need for further work.

Checking brakes is another easy thing.

It's been a long time since I've had a new car that needed a 60K checkup.
In the two previous cases ( '83 Camry, '86 MR2 ) nothing needed adjustment.
Everything checked out good. I just replaced the indicated filters, etc.
Total cost under $100 and a few hours of checking things.
 
I disagree with your criticism of K&N filters. I too doubt they add 15
hp but the longevity and cleanability factor make them worthwhile.

Hi,

Uh, did you see the name K&N in my post?

If not, you're reading something in I didn't say. However, if you like
K&N filters, that's fine. It's your money you're spending.

But let's think about something here: K&N is not the only company who
makes (or has made) an oilable "no replacement" filter. Any car mfr has
access to them, and I'm sure K&N would LOVE to get an OEM contract
(maybe the folks I know who've worked for 'em--the company's only a half
hour from me--could get a raise?) Yet we don't see K&N or any other
"serviceable" filter on a factory car today.

Conspiracy theorists will claim that's cuz the mfrs want to sell a lot
of paper filters. Some engineers will claim it's cuz paper filters trap
more "stuff" and keep the engine cleaner. W/o seeing side by side data
from controlled tests, it's your call who is right.

BTW, YES, I HAVE used serviceable filters in the past. I've returned to
the paper ones...

Rick C
 

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