How to turn off driving lights?

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Robert Rubenstein

My '04 OBW has headlights that come on automatically when I put it in drive and
release the emergency brake. How can I turn off this automatic feature? Has
anyone done this?

Robert
 
Just as another poster stated, daytime headlight use increases visibility
with a potential to save YOUR life. I've been manually turning my headlights
on since 1992.

That feature is there for a reason.

Enjoy your new vehicle.

-T
 
Robert,
I thought the same thing for a few days. Then I realized how often I turned
my lights on during the day, or flashed them at drivers who acted like they
couldn't see me. Now I'm beginning to think they're a good idea. Don't
look for a simple switch. The running ligths are the headlights at 80%
brightness. Cut a wire and you've got no headlights.

-Bill Radio
 
My '04 OBW has headlights that come on automatically when I put it in drive and
release the emergency brake. How can I turn off this automatic feature? Has
anyone done this?

Check over on www.scoobymods.com for the "daytime
running light mod" (go figger!).

Steve
 
Follow the instructions for 2000 Legacy:
http://lightsout.org/disable.html#Subaru

Make sure you check to see that your regular
headlights work afterwards!

If you lose your Headlights even when you turn
them on with the Headlight Switch, you pulled
the wrong plug or this mod wont work for the
2004's.
 
GTT said:
Not even! NO dessert for you; he was correct. It DOES save lives.
Serious business.
I would like to see the hard statistics to substantiate this. We should not
take this on faith but should be presented with proof. Todays political
science, e.g. ethanol in gas, will mandate change, either by formal law or
public opinion without presenting a good scientific study. OTOH,
personally, a few years ago when this feature showed up on GM cars, I found
these lights very annoying and sometimes had to switch to my night driving
rear view mirror because of the glare.
The lights on my '03 Forester are not a full headlight nor overly bright so
they do not bother me.
Frank
 
GTT said:
Not even! NO dessert for you; he was correct. It DOES save lives.
Serious business.
Ok, I'll start the war...
This is a line of bullcrap. Sorry to offend you, but the advantage to
daytime running lights (even suggested by initial research on the subject)
was early on when few had them, thus the "unusual" nature tended to catch
drivers attention. As more running lights become the norm, the advantage
disappears. There is no need of using headlights, especially those that are
overbright, as another poster mentions. These only cause problems for
light-sensitive folks, not just a few of which are on the roads.
You can accomplish the same thing with much dimmer lights, if desired,
ie. parking lights, though that may be illegal in some states? However, as I
said, the advantage disappears over time as daytime running lights become
commonplace. They present another option to force higher prices, however,
and more replacement items sold when they burn out, and more trash for the
garbage dumps to dispose of. If there is some terribly SLIGHT advantage that
exists when these are ubiquitous, it will not be without a price. Sure, we
can all say, "hey, if it saves lives, it must be worth it, right?" Okay,
then, let's save MORE lives. Let's make all cars except those of emergency
personnel and law enforcement have governors limiting speed to 15mph. Or
let's regulate to death lots of other aspects of vehicular travel. Let's go
back to using only bicycles for commuting----hey, there's an idea I might
subscribe to... IF I lived where it was warmer all year. :)
In my opinion, these are among the worst idiot lights ever invented.
--
D N
I E T S
Off to R the M __, D H

Reply to group. (Detestible spammers!)
 
Daytime running lights made the roads significantly more dangerous for
motorcyclists. In New Jersey before the advent of DRL's a headlight on
during the day meant a motorcycle was coming. Many drivers knew this and
watched out for them. That small bit of protection is now gone.
 
I must agree with John and Frank on this one. There is no scientific
evidence to substantiate these claims. That's a trap we all fall into way
too often. And why not? That kind of bullshit is spewing at an ever
increasing rate from every form of media there is.
However, if you like the lights and you think they make the roads more safe,
then you're welcome to that opinion.
Personally, I don't think daytime headlights are a bad idea. How many times
have you seen some guy or girl hauling ass up the road at dusk or twilight
without any lights. When the transition from day to night begins, a lot of
people forget that their lights are off. It has happened to you, I bet.
The other situation is when it is raining or foggy or whatever else might
limit visibility.
 
Canada was the first to generate data that proved daytime running lights
reduced daytime accidents by ~37%. I can't remember the exact percentage.
General Motors in the US followed with their own test and those results
were significant enough to have GM to start to put them on all their
vehicles. eddie
 
I must agree with John and Frank on this one. There is no scientific
evidence to substantiate these claims. That's a trap we all fall into
way too often. And why not? That kind of bullshit is spewing at an
ever increasing rate from every form of media there is.
However, if you like the lights and you think they make the roads more
safe, then you're welcome to that opinion.
Personally, I don't think daytime headlights are a bad idea. How many
times have you seen some guy or girl hauling ass up the road at dusk or
twilight without any lights. When the transition from day to night
begins, a lot of people forget that their lights are off. It has
happened to you, I bet. The other situation is when it is raining or
foggy or whatever else might limit visibility.

For those of us who travel on two lane highways, DRLs are
extremely useful for knowing the car in the left lane is coming
toward us rather than passing someone. At a great distance on
straight and flat roads, it can be difficult to determine this.

Like many, for decades I had been using low-beams during the
day to accomplish the same thing until I had a car with DRLs.

I still see many cars on two lane highways which came factory equipped
with DRLs where they have been disabled. If they are involved in
a collision, there should be an automatic 100% fault assessment
and a fine.

Of course then there are all the others with their fog lights
running night and day, foggy or not.
 
If you're getting a DRL discount on your insurance, your insurer could
refuse to pay a claim if it determined that the lights had been disabled.

As for rain, they are a good backup if you forget to turn on your
headlights as required by law in many states, but they're no substitute
because they don't turn on your taillights, Taillights provide an extra
margin of safety against being rear-ended in a situation of low
visibility and heavy road spray.
 
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:09:06 GMT, "Rockin Ronnie"

Thanks for the info.

After reading the article I am going to look into getting the relay to
plug into my wife's 96 Explorer so she and my daughter have the
benefit of DRL.
 
Of course then there are all the others with their fog lights
running night and day, foggy or not.

The thing I really don't like about the DRL's is the fact that they are
switched on and off with the emergency brake, at least for cars with a
MT. I don't mind having them, I rather like them in fact. But I really
dislike it when I use the e-brake at known _long_ red lights to hold my
car in place (while getting a cd from the back seat or any other
distraction) And, well, sometimes I use the e-brake to slow down my car
by 5 to 10 mph when I don't want others to know I'm slowing my car
down. I'll let you guess which people I don't want to know my former
speed. Having my headlights blink seems to me wrong if not
intentionally done.

The e-brake does make sense as a DRL control for a MT vehicle. My ideal
solution would put some kind of timer on the e-brake switch - say 30
seconds - to turn the DRL's off only when the set time has elapsed or
the motor is shut off. Is there a post or URL that can direct me how to
do this ('02 WRX wagon)?

I'd accept a solution that would keep the DRL's on when the ignition is
on (ignoring the e-brake), while still allowing for regular headlight
operation.

- Byron
 
D H said:
Ok, I'll start the war...
This is a line of bullcrap. Sorry to offend you, but the advantage to
daytime running lights (even suggested by initial research on the subject)
was early on when few had them, thus the "unusual" nature tended to catch
drivers attention. As more running lights become the norm, the advantage
disappears. There is no need of using headlights, especially those that are
overbright, as another poster mentions. These only cause problems for
light-sensitive folks, not just a few of which are on the roads.
You can accomplish the same thing with much dimmer lights, if desired,
ie. parking lights, though that may be illegal in some states? However, as I
said, the advantage disappears over time as daytime running lights become
commonplace. They present another option to force higher prices, however,
and more replacement items sold when they burn out, and more trash for the
garbage dumps to dispose of. If there is some terribly SLIGHT advantage that
exists when these are ubiquitous, it will not be without a price. Sure, we
can all say, "hey, if it saves lives, it must be worth it, right?" Okay,
then, let's save MORE lives. Let's make all cars except those of emergency
personnel and law enforcement have governors limiting speed to 15mph. Or
let's regulate to death lots of other aspects of vehicular travel. Let's go
back to using only bicycles for commuting----hey, there's an idea I might
subscribe to... IF I lived where it was warmer all year. :)
In my opinion, these are among the worst idiot lights ever invented.

Well, your opinion is noted.

Even though your comments, above, contain all the data I need to disagree
with you. You mention "catch the drivers' attention" and talk of
"light-sensitive folks".... Guess what that means? Yep, it means the DRLs
are working. (and I suspect that anyone light-sensitive to DRLs in daytime
should not be permitted to operate a motor vehicle, day or night.)

If you'd ever piloted an aircraft, you'd know the meaning of "see and be
seen," but the meaning is probably obvious, even if you have not. "Being
seen" is safer than not!
Statistics be damned, I don't believe them all, either. I realize that
"figures don't lie, but liars figure", so I am not always convinced by what
seems convincing numbers. I try to use a little common sense and take
advantage of reasonable safety devices.

But even tho there are many who posted in agreement with the "baloney"
stand, the two posts which cite studies are more than enough to make me
agree that DRLs save lives. Plus, I would agree with the idea that an
insurance company might "disavow any knowledge" of your coverage if you
deliberately cripple safety systems. Be careful what you wish for.
 
Doug Anderson said:
Daytime running lights made the roads significantly more dangerous for
motorcyclists. In New Jersey before the advent of DRL's a headlight on
during the day meant a motorcycle was coming. Many drivers knew this and
watched out for them. That small bit of protection is now gone.

Gotta love them Unintended Consequences...

Before we got this car with the all-the-time driving lights, we always
used to drive with the lights on anyway. I like the idea of being as
noticed as possible, because bad dullard drivers tend to notice bright
shiny things. It was one of those neat things about having Subarus: that
the lights went off with the ignition key. I remember it was unusual
enough that other motorists were frequently blinking their lights at us
to let us know they were on.

Now, nobody does that anymore, 'cuz everybody's grandma's new Oldsmobile
does that too. So we've lost at least that edge in being noticed. And I
still drive with the headlight switch on anyway, so that my taillights
will be on too.

I'm sure the lights are turned on by the same switch on the brake handle
that lights the "BRAKE" warning light. One could easily get at that wire
inside the center console and add a defeat switch. How are we supposed
to sneak up on people with the lights off, if the car goes turning the
lights on? Actually, when I want to do that, I just pull the brake
handle up to the first click...


What *I* want is a a defeat switch so that I can turn on the headlights
without turning on the key. I believe I would label it "FLASHLIGHT
MODE."
 

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