Head gaskets in 96 Legacy Outback

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garry

So I found a glob of oil in the coolant reservoir. Car has 192,000 miles.
2.5L automatic. Considering my options...
1. Replace the headgaskets and resurface heads. My mechanic suggests this is
10 hr. labor job. Will this be sufficient or should I go through the whole
engine?
2. Buy a reman engine. Anyone done this and can recommend a source?
3. Buy a junk engine, can an engine from a latter year model Outback go in
here? I would also consider a smaller engine, I think made a 2.1 02 2.2 that
came with a manual trans.
4. Sell it on EBay (Make me an offer!)
The body of the car is in pretty good condition, though has some deep
scratches from close encounter with tornado debris.

Any thoughts appreciated.
tia
Garry McMinds
 
Are you very sure it is a HG problem?? If it is I would sell a 10 year
old 190,000+ miles car for whatever and get another. Stay away from
1998 & 1999 2.5L as some engines had HG problems early on. JMO. ed
 
Hi Garry!

So I found a glob of oil in the coolant reservoir. Car has 192,000 miles.
2.5L automatic. Considering my options...
1. Replace the headgaskets and resurface heads. My mechanic suggests this is
10 hr. labor job. Will this be sufficient or should I go through the whole
engine?

At 200K, the engine is probably gonna want a substantial amount of
work to really freshen it up; timing belt, tensioner, water pump, and
seals if nothing else. Don't think I'd stop at head gaskets unless 1)
money was real tight, and 2) I accepted the very real possibility that
additional work would be required, either immediately, or shortly
thereafter. Really would only make sense if you are doing the work
yourself IMO.
2. Buy a reman engine. Anyone done this and can recommend a source?

Colorado Component Rebuilders has earned a good reputation.
<http://www.ccrengines.com/>
As you appear to be employing a mechanic, this is probably your best
option in the long run. Be darn sure that the AT, (and the rest of the
drive train/suspension for that matter) is tip-top before putting $2K+
into a $4K car . . .
3. Buy a junk engine, can an engine from a latter year model Outback go in
here? I would also consider a smaller engine, I think made a 2.1 02 2.2 that
came with a manual trans.

I'm sure you could retrofit a 2.2L, but you probably won't want to pay
someone to sort out all of the little details. Again, only realistic
as a DIY project, and only then if you can live w/o the car for
whatever time it takes to make it happen. A salvage 2.5L would vastly
simplify the project, but salvage yards vary in the amount of effort
they put into insuring that the engines they sell are serviceable.
Usually they will offer at least some sort of warranty, but you will
still have to pay for the swap (again) if you get a bad one.
(BTW, the 2.5 DOHC engines are fragile, and often suffer cam
bearing/carrier damage as a result of even minor frontal impacts . . .
This sometimes isn't evident right off, either, so be warned.)
4. Sell it on EBay (Make me an offer!)
The body of the car is in pretty good condition, though has some deep
scratches from close encounter with tornado debris.

'96 OB with 200K, a bad engine, straight body, and clean interior is
probably worth $1000 tops. Probably have a hard time getting that on
ebay, but you might call any local yards that handle Subarus to see if
they're interested. I buy fixers myself from time to time; contact me
if you're anywhere nearby (Colorado front range), and we'll talk.
Any thoughts appreciated.

I'd be real tempted to keep driving it until it totally gave up the
ghost, (Maybe try some of the "magic" sealants available at the auto
parts store? Couldn't hurt.) and then look at option 4 pretty hard
before committing to option 2; this again assuming you are paying
someone to do the work as opposed to DIY.
If it were mine, I'd start looking for a lo-miles replacement engine,
(or a crunched 2.2 Legacy; I like the 2.2L motor better, myself, and I
have a feeling that the 2.5-2.2 swap will probably require a "donor"
car) and swap 'em myself.

Yr most welcome. Hope this helps a bit.

ByeBye! S.


Steve Jernigan KG0MB
Laboratory Manager
Microelectronics Research
University of Colorado
(719) 262-3101
 
garry said:
So I found a glob of oil in the coolant reservoir. Car has 192,000 miles.
2.5L automatic. Considering my options...
1. Replace the headgaskets and resurface heads. My mechanic suggests this is
10 hr. labor job. Will this be sufficient or should I go through the whole
engine?
2. Buy a reman engine. Anyone done this and can recommend a source?
3. Buy a junk engine, can an engine from a latter year model Outback go in
here? I would also consider a smaller engine, I think made a 2.1 02 2.2 that
came with a manual trans.
4. Sell it on EBay (Make me an offer!)
The body of the car is in pretty good condition, though has some deep
scratches from close encounter with tornado debris.

Any thoughts appreciated.
tia
Garry McMinds
Not sure how you wanna go but a good source for reman engines is CCR;
http://www.ccrengines.com/

Carl
1 Lucky Texan
 
Oil and air bubbles in the radiator, increasing as it rev indicate either
the gasket or cracked head. Thanks for the heads up.
Garry
 
Hello Steve,
Thanks for all the info.
I am actually considering doing it myself. I have a garage (once I get done
with my son's Honda timing belt) a dangerous amount of knowledge and more
time than money. I emailed CCR, they have a reasonably priced reman. 95 2.2L
EJ22 that they tell me will fit in:
"You can swap in a later year EJ25 DOHC, or you can swap in a '95 EJ22
($xxxx + $xxx for the intake manifold)."

Am I mistaken in gathering from this that a '96 or later 2.2 would not fit?
Or is that what they have in stock? (Yes, I've asked them as well) Is the
Outback engine different than the regular Legacy?
Anyway, I will probably do as you suggest and drive it till it drops and
then replace with a 2.2L engine. A friend has previously suggested a "magic"
sealant which name escapes that he has had very good results with.
Thanks again,
Garry
 
garry said:
Hello Steve,
Thanks for all the info.
I am actually considering doing it myself. I have a garage (once I get done
with my son's Honda timing belt) a dangerous amount of knowledge and more
time than money. I emailed CCR, they have a reasonably priced reman. 95 2.2L
EJ22 that they tell me will fit in:
"You can swap in a later year EJ25 DOHC, or you can swap in a '95 EJ22
($xxxx + $xxx for the intake manifold)."

Am I mistaken in gathering from this that a '96 or later 2.2 would not fit?
Or is that what they have in stock? (Yes, I've asked them as well) Is the
Outback engine different than the regular Legacy?
Anyway, I will probably do as you suggest and drive it till it drops and
then replace with a 2.2L engine. A friend has previously suggested a "magic"
sealant which name escapes that he has had very good results with.

If you don't mind, I'd be interested to
know what they quoted you for the engine.
Their website doesn't have any prices that
I could find.
 
thanks, that's what I'm hearing and I'm leaning towards that solution. But I
am in North Carolina and a little concerned about shipping costs. hmmm..
Could I finance an Aspen ski outing on the savings if I drove out and picked
it up?
 
Jim,
Out of courtesy to CCR I won't post it here. If you use the quote link on
their site they are quick to get back with you.
Garry
 
I've been told only the 95 2.2 will interchange. May have to do with the
EGR and/or number of exhaust ports. Someone recently over on the USMB
replaced a 2.5 with a 95 2.2.
 

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