Diesel Subaru at 200 hp - New version

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Subaru has in store a nasty version of the Impreza, equipped with a diesel engine capable of 200 hp output, which is 50 more than the more normal boxer presented recently. Prodrive of Banbury is behind the development, according to reports from Channel4Car. The Japanese hatchback has a strong point in its sporty attributes (225 km/hr, 0-60 mph in less than seven seconds), with performance and consumption comparable to the best common rail examples currently available. The name will probably rema...
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[albertdanu]

Subaru has in store a nasty version of the Impreza, equipped with a diesel engine capable of 200 hp output, which is 50 more than the more normal boxer presented recently. Prodrive of Banbury is behind the development, according to reports from Channel4Car. The Japanese hatchback has a strong point in its sporty attributes (225 km/hr, 0-60 mph in less than seven seconds), with performance and consumption comparable to the best common rail examples currently available. The name will probably rema...
Read More:http://autopark.blogspot.com/2008/03/diesel-subaru-at-200-hp-new-vers...

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[M.J.]

wow, amazing!!

Nice.

There is talk in the media about a bunch of diesel cars
supposedly coming to US in the near future.

What I don't understand is why would anyone here want
to buy a diesel when so called "market economics" makes
diesel much more expensive than even premium petrol?
Sure diesel engines are more efficient but they also cost more
to produce and diesel being at nearly 4.00 a gallon makes the
whole proposition senseless, unless there will be some huge
government tax rebates for these cars.

From AP New, March 15, 2008:
At the pump, gas prices set records for the fourth straight day, rising 1.3
cents Friday to a national average price of $3.28 a gallon, according to AAA
and the Oil Price Information Service... .

Diesel, meanwhile, rose 2.9 cents to a new record national average of $3.938
a gallon.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5TtajgUpSm7KY5jf-lCJGHBB-tAD8VDOQ7G0

M.J.

 

[suburboturbo]

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THIS is the car to hybridize. Since the diesel's torque, which can be
monstrous, typically comes on line further up the rev band, add an
electric motor for low-end torque and you've got the power band
covered from 0-5500/6000 or so. Should also return 30+ mpg.

 

[Bonehenge (B A R R Y)]

Sure diesel engines are more efficient but they also cost more
to produce and diesel being at nearly 4.00 a gallon makes the
whole proposition senseless, unless there will be some huge
government tax rebates for these cars.

$4.24 in the Northeast!

 

[man%]

$4.24 in the Northeast!

You are lucky. Here in Spain we pay 6.36 $/gal though a diesel Seat
Ibiza covers 47 m/g

 

[Bob H]

You are lucky. Here in Spain we pay 6.36 $/gal though a diesel Seat
Ibiza covers 47 m/g

Hi - is that the US gallon or other? thanks

 

[Bob H]

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THIS is the car to hybridize. Since the diesel's torque, which can be
monstrous, typically comes on line further up the rev band, add an
electric motor for low-end torque and you've got the power band
covered from 0-5500/6000 or so. Should also return 30+ mpg.

If you're gonna toss in the electric motors then toss in a smaller diesel
and get the sucker up to 50+ mpg. Otherwise the premium will never be worth
it.

 

[Carl 1 Lucky Texan]

THIS is the car to hybridize. Since the diesel's torque, which can be
monstrous, typically comes on line further up the rev band, add an
electric motor for low-end torque and you've got the power band
covered from 0-5500/6000 or so. Should also return 30+ mpg.

If you're gonna toss in the electric motors then toss in a smaller
diesel and get the sucker up to 50+ mpg. Otherwise the premium will
never be worth it.

????? Max torque in the new boxer diesel is at 1800rpm.(IIRC) 1/2 the
rpm of max tq in my WRX!

Carl

 

[suburboturbo]

????? Max torque in the new boxer diesel is at 1800rpm.(IIRC) 1/2 the
rpm of max tq in my WRX!

Carl

I just read about it last night and saw that it's redlined at 4400, at
least in the Legacy. Probably a dog off the line but will pull like a
monster through the midrange and has a nice smooth torque curve
between 1800 and 3500-4000, just gonna take a lot of shifting to keep
it there. And here's betting that Subaru will introduce it equipped
with only an automatic, transmission, making it even harder to keep
the engine speed around the torque peak. I guess a CVT with well-
programmed brain could sort it out, but I'll wait for my 6 speed turbo
diesel hybrid.

 

[Carl 1 Lucky Texan]

I just read about it last night and saw that it's redlined at 4400, at
least in the Legacy. Probably a dog off the line but will pull like a
monster through the midrange and has a nice smooth torque curve
between 1800 and 3500-4000, just gonna take a lot of shifting to keep
it there. And here's betting that Subaru will introduce it equipped
with only an automatic, transmission, making it even harder to keep
the engine speed around the torque peak. I guess a CVT with well-
programmed brain could sort it out, but I'll wait for my 6 speed turbo
diesel hybrid.

Yeah, 6spd stick would be nice(and probably almost required). maybe a
5spd slushbox for 'the lazy'!

Carl

 

[Rick Courtright]

What I don't understand is why would anyone here want
to buy a diesel when so called "market economics" makes
diesel much more expensive than even premium petrol?

Hi,

About a year ago I was reading an article comparing Euro model Toyotas,
available w/ diesel engines, to the same models sold in the US w/ gas
engines.

The two I remember were the Yaris at the "tiny" end and the Land Cruiser
at the "behemoth" end of the scale.

Yaris: diesel, 60 mpg, gas, 38 mpg

Land Cruier: diesel, 29 mpg, gas, 16 mpg

I think those differences probably cover the spread in fuel and engine
cost pretty easily, and then some... and they make US model hybrids seem
a bit less like "the answer" than some might claim.

Rick

 

[Bob H]

Hi,

About a year ago I was reading an article comparing Euro model Toyotas,
available w/ diesel engines, to the same models sold in the US w/ gas
engines.

The two I remember were the Yaris at the "tiny" end and the Land Cruiser
at the "behemoth" end of the scale.

Yaris: diesel, 60 mpg, gas, 38 mpg

Land Cruier: diesel, 29 mpg, gas, 16 mpg

I think those differences probably cover the spread in fuel and engine
cost pretty easily, and then some... and they make US model hybrids seem
a bit less like "the answer" than some might claim.

Rick

I'm pretty sure that gallon is larger than the US gallon, and, the diesels
tested are not the same as the clean-running ones we're about to get in the
US.

Apples and oranges.

 

[JD]

I'm pretty sure that gallon is larger than the US gallon, and, the diesels
tested are not the same as the clean-running ones we're about to get in
the US.

Apples and oranges.

An Imp Gallon is larger than in the US, but why does that make a difference?
As long as they are all measured in the same gallons, the relative
difference is the same; the diesel gets 40-45% better mileage than the gas
equivalent and the fuel is not 40-45% more expensive.

 

[Brian]

An Imp Gallon is larger than in the US, but why does that make a
difference? As long as they are all measured in the same gallons, the
relative difference is the same; the diesel gets 40-45% better mileage
than the gas equivalent and the fuel is not 40-45% more expensive.

Don't get too excited about the greater efficiency of the diesels in the US.
Every time the government crams cleaner diesel down our throats, mileage
goes down, at least, that's what the diesel mechanic said who's computer I
fix when I quizzed him on the subject. Something on the order of 30% less
miles per gallon of diesel now than in '94, but take it as anecdotal. If I
believed in conspiracies I might say the government is slowly removing the
benefits of diesel, but I neither drive a diesel nor want to lose sleep at
night over the powers that be.

~Brian

 

[JD]

Don't get too excited about the greater efficiency of the diesels in the
US. Every time the government crams cleaner diesel down our throats,
mileage goes down, at least, that's what the diesel mechanic said who's
computer I fix when I quizzed him on the subject. Something on the order
of 30% less miles per gallon of diesel now than in '94, but take it as
anecdotal. If I believed in conspiracies I might say the government is
slowly removing the benefits of diesel, but I neither drive a diesel nor
want to lose sleep at night over the powers that be.

~Brian

Hmmm... maybe. But, diesel fuel has a significantly higher energy density
than gasoline and the engines seem to last a bunch longer. If Subaru brings
them to this side of the pond, I'll certainly consider one.

 

[clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada]

Hmmm... maybe. But, diesel fuel has a significantly higher energy density
than gasoline and the engines seem to last a bunch longer. If Subaru brings
them to this side of the pond, I'll certainly consider one.

If they built a gas engine as heavy as the average diesel it would
possibly last longer too.

At any rate, in North America the cost per "therm" is about the same
for gas vs diesel fuel on the open market, and if and when "clean
diesel" becomes commonplace, the cost of deisel fuel will be adjusted
so the advantage diesel provides efficiency-wize will be very close
to cancelled out. They will leave a little "carrot" to encourage
diesel use if refinery capacity produces adequate diesel to support
it.

 

[JD]

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If they built a gas engine as heavy as the average diesel it would
possibly last longer too.

At any rate, in North America the cost per "therm" is about the same
for gas vs diesel fuel on the open market, and if and when "clean
diesel" becomes commonplace, the cost of deisel fuel will be adjusted
so the advantage diesel provides efficiency-wize will be very close
to cancelled out. They will leave a little "carrot" to encourage
diesel use if refinery capacity produces adequate diesel to support
it.

In Ontario, the price of diesel is less than 5% more expensive than gas.
Diesel contains about 15% more energy per litre, so there is still a 10%
efficiency gain; which is substantial.

 

[Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)]

In Ontario, the price of diesel is less than 5% more expensive than gas.

Cool!

Here in Connecticut, 87 octane is ~ $3.25, diesel is $4.25.

 

[John O]

Don't get too excited about the greater efficiency of the diesels in the
US. Every time the government crams cleaner diesel down our throats,
mileage goes down, at least, that's what the diesel mechanic said who's
computer I fix when I quizzed him on the subject. Something on the order
of 30% less miles per gallon of diesel now than in '94, but take it as
anecdotal. If I believed in conspiracies I might say the government is
slowly removing the benefits of diesel, but I neither drive a diesel nor
want to lose sleep at night over the powers that be.

~Brian

I had a chance to ride in, then drive a VW Jetta deisel this week from
Pittsburgh to College Station. The damn thing get 55 mpg on hilly state
roads, and is a blast to drive. 600 miles on a tank of deisel? I'm
definitely considering a deisel.

-John O