Coolant Leak - Revisted

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nhopper

Previously, I posted about a coolant leak on an '02 Subaru Imprezia
Outback Sport. Here's what I wrote in December:
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During the prolonged cold spell here in the northern plains, I started
noticing the sweet smell of burning coolant briefly when running the
cabin heat at idle. Underway, the smell disappears. This was of great
concern since the last Subaru I owned (an '85) cracked a head and oil
infiltrated the coolant system. The symptoms were similar -- except
this time there was no oil visible in the reservoir.

I started checking under the car and noticed a small spot of coolant,
perhaps about 50 ml of coolant, directly under the engine after it sat
overnight. Thinking pump failure, I took it into the mechanic who said
the pump needed to be replaced.

The car is a 2002 Subaru Imprezia Outback Sport -- the mini Outback
wagon. I've only got about 36k miles on it. Has anyone else had issues
with their water pump on this model? It seemed quite premature for the
pump to crap out like that.
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There were a few replies, and one ominous suggestions that the head
gasket was shot.

Well, I didn't get the problem fixed and I spent more money than I care
to trying to track this problem down. Here's what DIDN'T fix it:
Replacement of water pump.
Replacement of thermostat housing. Mechanic said that he observed a
small pin hole leak coming from the housing. Apparently there is a tiny
emblem on the housing, and this emblem was where the leak originated.
Total cost was around $700.

I wasn't too happy with the mechanic's inability to locate the problem,
as I had the car in three times in the past four months for this issue.
Now, I'm off to the dealer. Where I live, the Subaru dealer went out of
businesses after they were sued by the Attorney General of a few states
due to some bizarre business practices. Now that there's a dealer who
stepped up to resume sales and service of Subarus.

The amount of leakage has diminished. However, I had to add perhaps 250
ml of fluid to the reservoir to maintain proper coolant levels about
two months ago. I notice a faint odor of burnt coolant upon returning
home. The engine operates decently well, but I've noticed a slight
decline in in-town gas mileage over the past few months. From perhaps
20 mpg to about 18 mpg. I could be my driving, as I'm a bit of a
speeder. On the interstate, the car is fine.

The heating and cooling system function normally, and the temperature
gauge never deviates from it's normal temperature after the engine has
warmed.

Just an FYI if you run into a similar problem.

Hopper
 
Have you put the "Subaru Cooling system conditioner" in the cooling
system as recommended? The conditioner will or is supposed to stop
"HG" and other weeping. I recomend the conditioner. I have a 2000
Forester with 105,000 miles on it. I changed the timing belt & water
pump at ~ 100,000 miles and the water pump seemed like new at 100,000.
Possibly you got a bad one? $700 for a $97 water pump, stat & housing?
WOW!! Hopefully you will find a good, honest mechanic very soon. JMO
Ed
 
Edward Hayes said:
Have you put the "Subaru Cooling system conditioner" in the cooling system
as recommended? The conditioner will or is supposed to stop "HG" and other
weeping. I recomend the conditioner. I have a 2000 Forester with 105,000
miles on it. I changed the timing belt & water pump at ~ 100,000 miles and
the water pump seemed like new at 100,000. Possibly you got a bad one?
$700 for a $97 water pump, stat & housing? WOW!! Hopefully you will find a
good, honest mechanic very soon. JMO Ed
Like many water pumps these days, the labor is probably essentially the same
as replacing the timing belt.

Mike
 
The dealer here in Kirkland, WA told me that water pumps start going at 175K
miles on the average.
 
No, I've not found a source for that. Any suggestions on where to
purchase this? Like an auto parts retailer with nationwide stores?
 
My dealer wanted $97 for a OEM water pump. I bought a Bosch pump at
PepBoys for ~ $55. The labor for changing the waterpump should be
considerably less than a timing belt change. You do not need to remove
the crank pulley or the timing belt to change the WP. You do need to
remove the drive belts for the AC & PS pump and at least part of one
cover,
 
I hate to reply to myself, but here's the final word. Brought the car
into the Subaru dealer. They found the driver's side head gasket
leaking. It had to be replaced. Luckily, the car was under warranty,
since the powertrain has a 60k mile warranty. I only have about 38.5k
miles on the car. Otherwise, that repair would bankrupt me.

Brought the car in at 9:30 am, done this p.m. Very handy.

In checking the recall list, my VIN was just outside of the "affected
VIN" range on the head gasket leaks for the recall notification. Moral
of the story: take your car to a Subaru dealer and fix the problem
straightaway. Unfortunately, this had a huge cost to me since I didn't
do this immediately. After talking with the mechanic, he told me a
story about how he's seen this on other Subarus of a similar year and
model, some advancing to the point of a savage coolant exsanguination.
 
nhopper said:
I hate to reply to myself, but here's the final word. Brought the car
into the Subaru dealer. They found the driver's side head gasket
leaking. It had to be replaced. Luckily, the car was under warranty,
since the powertrain has a 60k mile warranty. I only have about 38.5k
miles on the car. Otherwise, that repair would bankrupt me.
Don't have to apologize for giving us such important info. The next guy with
those indications will have the benefit of your experience. Thanks!

Mike
 

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