considering '05 Forester

[S. Brooks]

My wife and I were on the dealership lot today and each and every Forester
had a $1495 US markup. The Legacy's and Impreza's were also right there and
same markup! The separate dealer sticker had something like "Market
Adjustment" showing this $1495 in addition to any other options that they
may have put into it, like the mats, arm rest, etc. The dealer's web site
posts an X at say $22,500, but in reality they are $24,000 on the lot!

I have been looking on and off at the Forester for two years and now that we
have a need for a new car I am looking more seriously but to know that I
lose $1500 in negiation right off the bat, I don't know... I checked into
KBB.com per someone's previous post and invoice is much lower than sticker.

Anyone else seen this in some of their markets? I am in the central
Virginia, US market. I had seen that there was a lease available to our
area for about $250 for the X trim level, but I don't know if a lease is
worth it - although I haven't looked that hard into that type of program.

 

[Bonehenge]

Anyone else seen this in some of their markets?

Years ago I saw this on a Toyota. I suggested that I wasn't paying it
and they were more than willing to ditch it.

I have never bought a car in less than 5-7 days. I start at invoice,
from Consumer Reports, etc... and work up from there. The sticker is
actually pretty meaningless. I have great credit, don't trade cars
in, and have always managed to work a really good deal. I've never
leased a car.

Don't forget, even at invoice, most brands have a holdback, so the
dealer is still making money at invoice. Once the dealer totally
refuses to sell you a car, you've usually reached the bottom line.
I'll usually wait a few days before I move from that point.

What's worked for me is to stay impersonal and always be willing to
pass on the deal. I have yet to not buy a car because I couldn't
reach a price agreement. One more thing, the salesperson usually
can't truly sell you a car. Negotiate with the sales manager or
someone else who can actually sign the deal.

I've also found that talking less and using the exit worked really
well in car negotiations. Written quotes shopped at other dealers
can also help, as can 'net quotes.

Barry

 

[Zen Cohen]

My wife and I were on the dealership lot today and each and every Forester
had a $1495 US markup. ....
Anyone else seen this in some of their markets?

In Houston, I've seen a local Subaru dealer discounting close to 10% off
sticker for some Forester and Outback models. Here's a link to the ad:
http://www.gillmansubaruhouston.com/site/specials.aspx Hope it's legible.

 

[Edward Hayes]

In Fort Myers FL. the dealer puts a "added value package" on all there new
Subaru's($ 1,495). It consists of pin- striping and an upholstering anti
stain and special wax that "protects" against acid rain. I told them I
wanted none of it and will order my new one and they took it off the price
before we set a final price. I would just walk out and find another dealer
or let them call you when their serious about selling you a new one. Your
not dealing with a very limited hand built vehicle here. ed

 

[Richard Chang]

My wife and I were on the dealership lot today and each and every Forester
had a $1495 US markup. The Legacy's and Impreza's were also right there and
same markup! [...]

Anyone else seen this in some of their markets? I am in the central
Virginia, US market. I had seen that there was a lease available to our
area for about $250 for the X trim level, but I don't know if a lease is
worth it - although I haven't looked that hard into that type of program.

That is nuts! I wouldn't put up with it.

If Maryland isn't too far for you to drive, none of the Subaru dealers
around here have that kind of dealer markup. I bought a 2003 Forester X
two years ago from Herb Gordon <http://www.herbgordonsubaru.com/>. The
price (just under $20k before taxes) was exactly as they listed on their
web site.

Check out fitzmall.com too. They have Forester 2.5X 4EAT under $19k
(including freight) supposedly. Never dealt with them, so don't know if
you'll actually get this price.

-R.

 

[WisedUp]

My wife and I were on the dealership lot today and each and every Forester
had a $1495 US markup. The Legacy's and Impreza's were also right there and
same markup! The separate dealer sticker had something like "Market
Adjustment" showing this $1495 in addition to any other options that they
may have put into it, like the mats, arm rest, etc. The dealer's web site
posts an X at say $22,500, but in reality they are $24,000 on the lot!

I have been looking on and off at the Forester for two years and now that we
have a need for a new car I am looking more seriously but to know that I
lose $1500 in negiation right off the bat, I don't know... I checked into
KBB.com per someone's previous post and invoice is much lower than sticker.

Anyone else seen this in some of their markets? I am in the central
Virginia, US market. I had seen that there was a lease available to our
area for about $250 for the X trim level, but I don't know if a lease is
worth it - although I haven't looked that hard into that type of program.

One of the cheapest Subaru dealers in the country isn't all that far from you.
Check out:

www.fitzmall.com

 

[thcmdma]

My wife and I were on the dealership lot today and each and every Forester
had a $1495 US markup. The Legacy's and Impreza's were also right there and
same markup! The separate dealer sticker had something like "Market
Adjustment" showing this $1495 in addition to any other options that they
may have put into it, like the mats, arm rest, etc. The dealer's web site
posts an X at say $22,500, but in reality they are $24,000 on the lot!

I have been looking on and off at the Forester for two years and now that we
have a need for a new car I am looking more seriously but to know that I
lose $1500 in negiation right off the bat, I don't know... I checked into
KBB.com per someone's previous post and invoice is much lower than sticker.

Anyone else seen this in some of their markets? I am in the central
Virginia, US market. I had seen that there was a lease available to our
area for about $250 for the X trim level, but I don't know if a lease is
worth it - although I haven't looked that hard into that type of

program.


With dealer inventories lingering around all time highs, you shouldn't
be paying any mark-ups whatsoever.

 

[Edward Hayes]

Go to www.edmunds.com and look at new Subaru's. Put in your zip code and
look at supposedly others are paying for the same model and year.ed

 

[KLS]

Check out fitzmall.com too. They have Forester 2.5X 4EAT under $19k
(including freight) supposedly. Never dealt with them, so don't know if
you'll actually get this price.

Let me second this recommendation for Fitzgerald: my mother has
bought both of her Subarus from them (98 Legacy Outback, 2005 Outback)
and had pleasant experiences and pricing with them. Make the drive.
If/when I ever decide to buy a new Subaru, I'll be checking them out
and seeing if I can force Van Bortel to match their price, their
policy notwithstanding.

 

[H]

When I bought my 04 Forester XS in May this year it was only after extensive
research. I was armed with "dealer cost" for my area. This is entirely
different from "Invoice Cost". The dealers basically invent Invoice Cost to
their benefit. As I live in Western Canada I used a website called Carcost
Canada. For about $20CDN I got the actual dealer cost. Most of the new car
buying websites, books and such suggest always starting negotiations from
the dealer cost point NOT the Invoice Cost and forget about MSRP. I strongly
recommend visiting the website www.carbuyingtips.com
It will alert you to all of the little tricks used to try and get that extra
few (hundred) dollers here and there. Good luck and consider the whole
purchasing thing a sport where the aim is to beat them at the game, it can
be done. They (dealers) don't like it but it's my money and my game to win.

Here's a clip from an e-mail I sent out at the time of my buying decision.

....I hadn't considered Forester because I never really liked the SUV look. I
always
considered a touring wagon to be my vehicle of choice. But when I drove the
Forester, the choice was clear. As a side note, the Forester is built in
Japan, while the Legacy is built in Indiana. Here's a tip. Do your homework.
I bought Phil Edmonstons, Lemon-Aid for new cars and mini-vans, Plus the
Consumer Reports Magazine new car edition. They helped. Also go to:
http://www.carbuyingtips.com They have an excellent tutorial about dealer
scams and pricing. I got my Forester XS for $55.00 over dealer cost, yes
that's $55.00 over dealer cost, thats more than $2600.00 less than MSRP.
Note, these figures are in Canadian Funds. I got the Dealer cost info from
the net, I had to pay for the info but it was worth it. When you consider
the added cost of financing the savings are even greater.

 

[Frank Logullo]

My wife and I were on the dealership lot today and each and every Forester
had a $1495 US markup. The Legacy's and Impreza's were also right there and
same markup! The separate dealer sticker had something like "Market
Adjustment" showing this $1495 in addition to any other options that they
may have put into it, like the mats, arm rest, etc. The dealer's web site
posts an X at say $22,500, but in reality they are $24,000 on the lot!

To add my 2 cents:
You certainly need to find another dealer. While we all like Subaru and
want them to have a healthy business, in a free market we want the best deal
we can get and dealers want the most profit they can get.
Personally, I'm a buy and holder. Not sure how much difference there is
between '05 and '04 but I would look to save big time on an '04 this time of
year. You should get it under invoice.
Also I do not lease, trade in, dealer finance, or buy warranties. I
separate the car deal from all else and look at that bottom line.
Frank

 

[Blair Baucom]

I just bought a new 2005 Forester 2.5 XS two weeks ago.

MSRP: $25,016
Invoice Price: $23,079
I gave $22,500

I was quoted this price online from dealer. Suggest you look at Subaru
website, www.subaru.com and locate vehicles you interested in and request
quotes. I went in, test drove and bought in just a few hours without any
negotiations.

This was in the St. Louis area. Most here are offering them at 1 to 2% over
invoice, or slightly under for 2005's. On 2004's they are saying up to 10%
off.

Blair