cat-back pipe?

T

The Edgleys

I ordered my new silver 5-speed WRX with the sunroof two weeks ago. Since
then I noticed a post about a new factory cat-back pipe. Can someone tell
me:

1) what is the cat-back pipe?
2) what are the benefits? better economy? more power?
3) should I ask the dealer to put one on my new WRX before I take it home?

David
 
The Edgleys said:
I ordered my new silver 5-speed WRX with the sunroof two weeks ago. Since
then I noticed a post about a new factory cat-back pipe. Can someone tell
me:

1) what is the cat-back pipe?

It is the section of the exhaust that goes from your catalytic convertor to
your muffler (hence the name cat-back)
2) what are the benefits? better economy? more power?

Potentially it "could" do both increase fuel economy (due to a more
free-flowing exhaust) and make more power (also due to a free flowing
exhaust)
3) should I ask the dealer to put one on my new WRX before I take it home?

Personally I would go for an aftermarket cat-back if you want the car to
have a little more announced exhaust note. HKS, 5-Zigen, Blitz, Apex-i,
etc.. all make very good cat-back exhausts that are designed to flow well.
If you get an aftermarket one get one from a good manufacturer and not just
the cheapest one you can find otherwise it may sound like all those annoying
hondas out there with their coffee-can sized exhaust tips that sound like
crap (I would avoid APC and Toucan Industries for exhausts). You may be
surprised, the aftermarket may be cheaper than the factory installed
cat-back (or the factory option cat-back). Also, I should note this is a
very easy do-it-yourself project that you could easily do with some jack
stands and a metric wrench (12mm if I recall correctly).

CAS
 
No, actually it is the entire exhaust system behind the cat......all that
would usually be between the cat and muffler is a short section of pipe and
maybe a resonator. Anyway I wouldn't expect much of an improvement on a
stock Subaru. TG
 
TG said:
No, actually it is the entire exhaust system behind the cat......all that
would usually be between the cat and muffler is a short section of pipe and
maybe a resonator. Anyway I wouldn't expect much of an improvement on a
stock Subaru. TG

Ok, so I wasn't 100% clear but I wasn't wrong either. To clarify I should
have said it is the section of pipe going from your catalytic convertor to
the end of the exhaust including your muffler. I think most people here
seem to be able to comprehend what it was that I was trying to say, well
most people that don't try and pick apart every single post for the smallest
detail of clarity. You know, TG, I have defended you in this group in the
past, but I am starting to feel that you really don't have a use here other
than to criticize and make yourself feel all high and mighty because you
came up with a marginally better way of explaining something than someone
else did. If it makes you feel better about yourself rip me in this post,
but be warned, I won't back down about what I said. And technically I
answered his question correctly, he asked "what is the cat-back pipe", not
"what is a cat-back exhaust system".
 
Anyway I wouldn't expect much of an improvement on a
stock Subaru. TG

I disagree again, the stock muffler is extremely restrictive (www.nasioc.com
has some pics of a muffler that has been cut apart to show how restrictive
it is.) I would be willing to bet you would get 5-9 Wheel Horse Power just
by swapping the cat-back out with a higher performance aftermarket one. In
fact, check out this link
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0212tur_exhaust/index.html for further
proof. Oh, and I should note that yes, I do realize that the M2 system only
made 4.1 more HP than stock, but the HKS made 11.1 HP more than stock.
Check your facts before you go spouting off at the mouth.
 
Re-read my post, I wasn't ripping anyone or trying to appear any particular
way....just trying to help the guy who started the thread. TG
 
WRXtreme said:
I disagree again, the stock muffler is extremely restrictive (www.nasioc.com
has some pics of a muffler that has been cut apart to show how restrictive
it is.)
Even a lot of high performance cars have a fairly restrictive
exhaust system. I have a 1994 Corvette that responded very
well to aftermarket headers and exhaust even though it was
already putting out 300 hp/300 lb-ft torque.

A more normal car has even more restrictive stock exhaust
and will certainly respond to a more free flowing exhaust.

From what I have seen on the WRX STi, it has all the exhaust
flow that it needs. Now all I have to do is find a way to buy
one of these.
 
Hi,
Zero back pressure is no good either unless you're doing WOT racing
maybe? Replaced everything after cat and header on my son's MY00
Impreza. This does
make difference. Sounds different, runs different.
Tony
 
Mark said:
Even a lot of high performance cars have a fairly restrictive
exhaust system. I have a 1994 Corvette that responded very
well to aftermarket headers and exhaust even though it was
already putting out 300 hp/300 lb-ft torque.

A more normal car has even more restrictive stock exhaust
and will certainly respond to a more free flowing exhaust...

I used to think that less restriction was always better, but people on
this and other newsgroups educated me on the subject. Here is a post
that I made on this ng after I was educated:
I'm no expert either, but know only what I've read on this subject. On
modern 4-strokes, there is generally considerable valve overlap (i.e.,
there are a few degrees of crankshaft rotation during which both the
intake and exhaust valves are both open. This has to do with dynamics
of the flow that improve performance at higher rpms (IIRC, this has to
do with "scavenging"?).

Without some backpressure, the overlap would cause flow disruption at
lower rpms, and low-end performance would suffer without that
backpressure. With just the right amount of backpressure to optimize
operation throughout the rpm range, the system is considered to be
"tuned"; removing the backpressure "detunes" it. Of course, with a
turbo charger, the turbo itself presents back pressure, so you would
generally want as little other backpressure as posible in a turbocharged
system.

There - that "exhausts" my knowledge on the subject. 8^)

Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")
 
Tony Hwang said:
Hi,
Zero back pressure is no good either unless you're doing WOT racing
maybe? Replaced everything after cat and header on my son's MY00
Impreza. This does
make difference. Sounds different, runs different.
I have done a fair amount of WOT racing in the Corvette
and the free flowing exhaust was very noticeable. When
you get to the power level of a Corvette or WRX STi, there
is enough air flow through the motor to justify a very free
flowing exhaust.

I would imagine that the motor in the WRX STi is flowing
a high percentage of what my 5.7L Corvette does when
they are both at WOT. I can't imagine what it would be
like to own one of these high revving WRX's with a
close ratio 6 speed.

You do want to watch out on a low power motor when
it comes to picking an exhaust system. If you do not
have enough exhaust velocity, you can end up with
exhaust gases still in the cylinder when the exhaust
valve closes. You will have reduced your power instead
of increasing it.
 
TG said:
It is the section of the exhaust that goes from your catalytic
convertor to your muffler (hence the name cat-back)
[reordered for readability]
No, actually it is the entire exhaust system behind the cat......all that
would usually be between the cat and muffler is a short section of pipe and
maybe a resonator. Anyway I wouldn't expect much of an improvement on a
stock Subaru. TG

Tracy,

Why the proclivity for changing subjects to one word exclamations
(typically negative). I've heard Billings was a nice place with nice
folks.

Best Regards,
 
I guess I hang out with Llamas and sheep a little too much. Tracy Everett
Glenn

Todd H. said:
TG said:
1) what is the cat-back pipe?

It is the section of the exhaust that goes from your catalytic
convertor to your muffler (hence the name cat-back)
[reordered for readability]
No, actually it is the entire exhaust system behind the cat......all that
would usually be between the cat and muffler is a short section of pipe and
maybe a resonator. Anyway I wouldn't expect much of an improvement on a
stock Subaru. TG

Tracy,

Why the proclivity for changing subjects to one word exclamations
(typically negative). I've heard Billings was a nice place with nice
folks.

Best Regards,
 
Mark said:
...You do want to watch out on a low power motor when
it comes to picking an exhaust system. If you do not
have enough exhaust velocity, you can end up with
exhaust gases still in the cylinder when the exhaust
valve closes.

That could very well tie in with the valve overlap thing (i.e., the
exhaust valves being open into the beginning of the intake stroke).
Higher exhaust velocity would mean smaller plumbing which in general
would be referred to generically as a more restrictive exhaust (though
it may give better overall performance, especially at the low end, for
the reasons you state).

Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")
 

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