Buying Used Outback - Advice appreciated

Discussion in 'Subaru Outback' started by Dan, Feb 14, 2006.

  1. Dan

    Dan Guest

    I rolled my 1998 Outback limited wagon last week; it had 200k, and was
    the best vehicle I've ever owned. I walked away with only a few bruises
    and a jammed left shoulder, you just can't say enough good things about
    these cars. Anyway I need to replace it, and so -

    I can't afford a new one now, so I'm looking at used. I've found a 2001
    LL Bean ("excellent condition") w/ 52,000 miles from a private party
    for $14,500, and a 2002 base + a few options w/ 39,394 miles; the
    dealer quoted $16,850 "internet price". I've also considered a couple
    of 2002 w/ 57,000 - 65,000 mile for around $13,000 internet price, and
    a 2001 base + options w/ 77,771 miles at an internet price of $10,995.
    Any thoughts on these prices for these vehicles? They seem a little
    high to me, but I'm not sure since I haven't looked for a vehicle since
    1999. I have checked out Edmunds, NADA, and KBB, but I was hoping to
    get input from knowledgeable folk.

    Also, does anyone have any input on potential problems with any of the
    models, especially the 2001 LL Bean? I've seen here that some folks
    have had some problems, but Subarus seem to be so dependable in my
    experience that I wonder about that.

    Any advice or comments anyone would offer would be greatly appreciated.
    Many thanks to you in advance!

    Dan
     
    Dan, Feb 14, 2006
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    BobN Guest

    That price seems a little steep for a 5-year old Outback. Another good way
    to check the market is by reviewing completed Ebay auctions - those are real
    deals, not just book figures.
     
    BobN, Feb 14, 2006
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  3. Dan

    Dan Guest

    Thanks BobN, will do that.
     
    Dan, Feb 14, 2006
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  4. Dan

    Dan Guest

    cHECKED OUT e-bAY. Seems kind of crazy there. Performed Linear
    Regression on 85 data points that are probably dealer biased. So...
     
    Dan, Feb 14, 2006
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    bigjim Guest

    Please dont be a momo and pay $16000 for a USED car. You can get a new
    outback for about $21k.
     
    bigjim, Feb 14, 2006
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  6. Dan,

    I'm solidily with you in believing Outbacks are some of the best cars you
    can have. I can't say enough about my mom's `95 Legacy L as it approaches
    285,000 miles and is running like a charm. I myself just purchased a 2001
    Limited Edition 5spd Outback Wagon last month for $10,900 after it's
    'sticker' price at the dealers lot was $16,000. Their internet price was
    still a high $13,300 with them screaming bloody murder when I offered
    $12,000 for it. Between waiting, finding the weakest salesman, and really
    doing alot of BSing about a dealership the next city over, I got it for
    $10,900 which I firmly believed was the right price. Also I followed alot
    of the advice on this newsgroup. I checked edmunds, kbb, but most
    importantly looked at comparable prices on eBay of which I was armed and
    ready to use at the dealer to show that the ebay prices are the "Deals", not
    the sticker prices that someone is wanting to pay a salesman's commission.

    My car was purchased at 78,000 miles, (I've got 80,000 now) and was kept in
    excellent condition by the previous owner. If you are looking at the LL
    Bean from the same model year as mine, I personally wouldn't go more than
    $12,000. The LL Bean Edition doesn't have much more than what the Limited
    Edition has (mine has dual sunroofs, cd player, all leather, heated seats,
    etc) so there really isn't any reason to pay that much more, except it does
    have a bit lower mileage. As someone else wrote on here, the $16,850 price
    for the 2002 Outback is severely overpriced. Especially if it's just a
    standard non-limited, non-VDC, non-LLBean Outback. Way overpriced. Even if
    that 2002 was an LL Bean I still wouldn't consider more than $13,000-$14,000
    tops for that.
     
    Bradley Walker, Feb 14, 2006
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  7. Dan

    Dan Guest

    Brad,

    Thanks for your input, I appreciate it very much. I am totally sold on
    the Subarus, especially after I walked away unhurt from my accident.
    The wrecker driver said he thought there was a fatality when he
    arrived.

    I offered the dealer $12,250 for the 2002 OB, which might still be
    high, and they responded with an offer of $15,850. I thanked them for
    their time and politely told them I could do better at several other
    places, and basically told them good-bye and good luck. That car has
    been on their lot since last July!

    Personally the only thing about an LL Bean I like is the H6, but the H4
    has always been fine for me; I work mostly in the mountains. I don't
    need the sun roof and like the extra headroom in a base or limited. I
    also don't care much for the limited, but would prefer a base with
    the weather package plus a CD player, and the towing package would be
    nice too. I do a lot of field work in streams and wetlands, so the
    leather in the limited isn't something that I need.
    77,770 miles for $10,995 is a fair price (without having seen the
    vehicle in person). It has the weather package, towing package, CD,
    etc, and is a South Carolina car - so no road salt issues.

    Thanks again!

    Dan
     
    Dan, Feb 15, 2006
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  8. Dan

    Dan Guest

    Big Backpacker -

    No intentions of paying 16k for a used OB. I'm a grad student in my
    last year, that's why I'm looking used. If I could afford a new one I
    doubt I'd be here looking for advice. And what the heck is a momo?
     
    Dan, Feb 15, 2006
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  9. Dan,

    You might really want to keep the 2002 OB in mind, especially if they are
    having a hard time getting rid of it. I ran into the exact same situation
    with mine. It was on a dealers lot since mid-late November. I went in the
    first of December, made my offer in the 12's, they balked at it as if I was
    stupid. I followed the salesman into an office, hassled him with "so you
    are fine with loosing money on this vehicle by leaving it set?" and got him
    thrown off his scripted routines. That day resulted with the salesman being
    very aggitated with me and never talking to me again (yay). As I was
    leaving I was told how my offer was so far below acceptable it wasn't funny
    and that the vehicle was such a hot item that it'd be gone in a few days
    anyway.

    Well it sat and sat until Dec. 31 when I went in, made up a BS offer from
    another dealership that I was being offered, this time with a different
    salesman. Being that the vehicle had sat for well over a month and half
    which is eternity at this larger dealership, they were very apt to deal with
    me. You may have to do it 2-3 times going back in for the 2002 OB, but
    don't hesitate to hit them with guilt tripping like statements that they are
    loosing money, that their salesmen can't appearantly sell a reliable car,
    that you'll find the newbie car salesman and get him to sell it to you
    cheaply just so he gets a sale, etc. Those are all good techniques to use
    with different salesmen as the situation arises. Your offer of $12,250
    seems very much in line with the 2002 OB LLBean and it's mileage. I
    wouldn't make this dealership your prime target, but don't be afraid to
    swing by, remind them of their lack of sales on that car and that they must
    love losing money. :)

    The 2001 vehicle is very much a nearly identical vehicle as mine. Including
    the weather package, additional head and leg room (helps for me that I'm
    6'5") , and everything else except towing. Not that I would ever use that
    to begin with. The one thing I'm also a firm believer in with mileage,
    Subaru's seem to be better than the rest. In that I mean a Subaru may have
    70,000+ mileage on it, but thats like saying a Chevy Impala only has 30,000
    miles on it. After seeing my mom's `95 almost hit 300,000 (it will this
    summer) then I have no qualms of purchasing a Subaru which appears at first
    to have a bit higher mileage.

    Brad
     
    Bradley Walker, Feb 15, 2006
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  10. Just ignore some of the people on this forum. They like to name call others
    without attempting to understand your specific situation. Heck when I wrote
    on here about buying my car, I got reamed a few times by several folks who
    said I was stupid for not buying new just to get the full warranty. Lest
    they forget, not everyone has a cool $25,000 cash in pocket to blow at a
    whim when something used will work perfectly for years to come.
     
    Bradley Walker, Feb 15, 2006
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  11. Dan

    Guest Guest

    They likely have that inferior door design of several Surbaru models,
    with no upper door frame to hold the window secure.
     
    Guest, Feb 15, 2006
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    bigjim Guest

    A momo is an idiot who pays nearly the cost of a new car for a used
    one. Remember, a used car is just that. You dont know he maintenance or
    any issues that plagued this car from the get go. Most people keep
    Subarus for over 100k miles so those with lower miles must have a
    reason for their being on sale. I'm sorry- paying 4k more over four or
    five years is no big deal to get a brand new car. Used cars are for
    suckers IMOas that is where dealers really make their money.
     
    bigjim, Feb 15, 2006
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    Bugalugs Guest


    Call in again 28th Feb, don't budge on price offered and if no joy then,
    call back 31st march and offer less.
     
    Bugalugs, Feb 15, 2006
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  14. Really? I guess I'm a sucker for getting a used 2000 Outback, huh?

    Some of us don't boatloads of money burning holes in our pockets, so
    sometimes, a used vehicle has to do. How many teenagers do you know
    that buy a car new (using Mommy or Daddy's money doesn't count)?

    Yeah, exactly. None.
     
    Justin Kozuch, Feb 17, 2006
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  15. Dan

    bigjim Guest

    Teenagers dont count- my 1st car was a '73 Torino for $700 back in '84.
    Adults with careers howevers are making bad choices when paying $15k +
    for a friggin used car. Good dealing techniques can get many new cars
    for ~$20k
     
    bigjim, Feb 17, 2006
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  16. Dan

    Dan Guest

    I guess if you read a little more closely you'd find: 1) I'm not about
    to 15k for a used vehicle; 2) I'm a grad student - I don't know too
    many that can afford 20k for something new - it's hard enough to hustle
    enough grant money to pay tuition, fund the work, etc. I'm just looking
    for advice on used Subarus, because that's all I can afford presently.

    Brad, thanks very much for your input on your latest Subaru purchase. I
    am going to look at the 2001 on Monday. I've talked the dealer down to
    $9800 on the telephone. I'll try to get him down further on Monday, but
    this seems like a pretty fair price as it is. If the car is in good
    condition I'll probably buy it Monday. I'd like to look around a little
    more, but my field season is starting and I need to have
    transportation.

    Thanks also to the rest of you (n-1) for your comments. I appreciate it
    very much.

    Dan
     
    Dan, Feb 17, 2006
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    bigjim Guest

    I'd still pay ~13k for a new hunday elantra gt before I'd pay 10k on a
    used subaru
     
    bigjim, Feb 18, 2006
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    Bugalugs Guest

    Well you just go right on and do that.....but this guy wants to buy a
    Subaru.
     
    Bugalugs, Feb 18, 2006
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    bigjim Guest

    Well you just go right on and do that.....but this guy wants to buy a
    Subaru<<

    I'd be leery of buying a 5 year old subaru with 80k miles- here's why.
    I loved my 04 OBW I bought new for a while. Now at two years old with
    64k miles the suspunsion is loose and sloppy . I had a front strut blow
    and be replaced already. I'll have it checked when I take it in for 90k
    service and see if I can get any thing replaced under extended
    warranty. Mechanically its fine but I'm not sure if this will be a
    "keeper". When the toyota FJ cruiser comes out or a 4 door wrangler I
    think I'll lose the outback.
     
    bigjim, Feb 18, 2006
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  20. Dan

    bigjim Guest

    Well you just go right on and do that.....but this guy wants to buy a
    Subaru<<

    I'd be leery of buying a 5 year old subaru with 80k miles- here's why.
    I loved my 04 OBW I bought new for a while. Now at two years old with
    64k miles the suspunsion is loose and sloppy . I had a front strut blow
    and be replaced already. I'll have it checked when I take it in for 90k
    service and see if I can get any thing replaced under extended
    warranty. Mechanically its fine but I'm not sure if this will be a
    "keeper". When the toyota FJ cruiser comes out or a 4 door wrangler I
    think I'll lose the outback.
     
    bigjim, Feb 18, 2006
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