Annoying and dangerous software

[Drtrdunn]

Hello, Subarus are the best designed and manufactured cars on the road. My immediate family of 4 all drive Subarus. But is anyone else troubled by the annoying and even dangerous software that has been imposed on us? Before I started turning them off, I was driving with lane control engaged and when an oncoming car oozed into my lane and I turned the wheel to avoid a head on, the steering wheel fought me trying to keep me between the lane lines. Another time as I was exiting a freeway, there was a disabled car parked safely on the shoulder, but because of the curve the collision avoidance system slammed on the brakes. Had I been tailgated there would have been a crash. So I turn all these dangerous addons off, but I have to redo it every time I start up the car. Like Tesla autopilot, these programmer-added controls are dangerous. I should be able to turn them off permanently.

 

[izzyman]

This is brand specific. My wife's Kia Sorento allows the driver to turn all of these things off and they stay off until you turn them back on, even when the car turns off.

I don't know what model year you have, but my 2023 Forester allows me to change the level of the LKA. I think mine has warn only, warn+steering assist, off

 

[Drtrdunn]

This is brand specific. My wife's Kia Sorento allows the driver to turn all of these things off and they stay off until you turn them back on, even when the car turns off.

I don't know what model year you have, but my 2023 Forester allows me to change the level of the LKA. I think mine has warn only, warn+steering assist, off

Our forester is a 2021 and it does let me turn of LKA permanently. But my 2023 Legacy doesn't and to turn it off, I have to go to the touch screen.

 

[izzyman]

Our forester is a 2021 and it does let me turn of LKA permanently. But my 2023 Legacy doesn't and to turn it off, I have to go to the touch screen.

Yeah, that touch screen -- I will probably not get another Subaru because of it.

I had a 21 Forester (totaled) and now a 23 Forester and the screen setup in my 23 is exactly what I want. I bought a engine-stop disable circuit to keep the engine-stop function off, and the LKA doesn't turn on unless I want it.

I looked at a 2025 Forester and I hated it. You have to take your eyes off the road and look at that stupid huge I-Pad in the middle of the car for almost everything. Subaru lost me as a customer with that crap.

 

[slipkid]

Yeah I 100% agree. I'm so happy that I bought my 2023 Crosstrek as a manual transmission which included none of this addon eyesight/autostop etc garbage. I had the misfortune of driving a 2024 automatic Crosstrek as a loaner when I had mine in for service at the dealer and the road I was on was under construction with the normal lane closed and everything shifted over. What a goddamm PITA!!!!!! And having so many controls now only accessible through the horrible touchscreen is a huge negative for me. Major safety hazard.

I was hoping someday to buy a MT WRX but heard that they have even saddled those now with eyesight, autostop, all that unneeded garbage which is makes things less safe IMO. Guess I'm done forever with buying Subarus other than used ones.

To paraphrase a line from a great 3 Stooges episode "this world shaw gone crazy!".

 

[Dick Foster]

A lot of that stuff is gubberment mandated crapolla,supposedly for fuel economy but they are often full of their own crapolla and know little to nothing useful about anything but getting in the way of people who do.

 

[Drtrdunn]

Yeah, that touch screen -- I will probably not get another Subaru because of it.

I had a 21 Forester (totaled) and now a 23 Forester and the screen setup in my 23 is exactly what I want. I bought a engine-stop disable circuit to keep the engine-stop function off, and the LKA doesn't turn on unless I want it.

I looked at a 2025 Forester and I hated it. You have to take your eyes off the road and look at that stupid huge I-Pad in the middle of the car for almost everything. Subaru lost me as a customer with that crap.

Yes, my next car won't be a Subaru. The question is, who should be controlling my car? Me, who has never had an accident, or some Subaru computer programmer, somewhere, who adds a bunch of annoying and dangerous junk to my car? I have some business plan advice for Subaru, don't add stuff that can't be turned off, and annoys yours customers.

 

[Dick Foster]

Hello, Subarus are the best designed and manufactured cars on the road. My immediate family of 4 all drive Subarus. But is anyone else troubled by the annoying and even dangerous software that has been imposed on us? Before I started turning them off, I was driving with lane control engaged and when an oncoming car oozed into my lane and I turned the wheel to avoid a head on, the steering wheel fought me trying to keep me between the lane lines. Another time as I was exiting a freeway, there was a disabled car parked safely on the shoulder, but because of the curve the collision avoidance system slammed on the brakes. Had I been tailgated there would have been a crash. So I turn all these dangerous addons off, but I have to redo it every time I start up the car. Like Tesla autopilot, these programmer-added controls are dangerous. I should be able to turn them off permanently.

I have turn most of that stuff on in my 2021. It's easy to everything off except autostart which I disabled with autostopeliminator. That is, unless i choose to let it work again. Did you watch any instructional videos for your car or give the manual a read? You didn't say what you have.

 

[Dick Foster]

Yeah I 100% agree. I'm so happy that I bought my 2023 Crosstrek as a manual transmission which included none of this addon eyesight/autostop etc garbage. I had the misfortune of driving a 2024 automatic Crosstrek as a loaner when I had mine in for service at the dealer and the road I was on was under construction with the normal lane closed and everything shifted over. What a goddamm PITA!!!!!! And having so many controls now only accessible through the horrible touchscreen is a huge negative for me. Major safety hazard.

I was hoping someday to buy a MT WRX but heard that they have even saddled those now with eyesight, autostop, all that unneeded garbage which is makes things less safe IMO. Guess I'm done forever with buying Subarus other than used ones.

To paraphrase a line from a great 3 Stooges episode "this world shaw gone crazy!".

Autostop is not a Subaru thing, it's a gubberment mandated, idiotic CAFE thing.