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Thinking of making my next vehicle a used subaru AWD wagon, looking to
spend, lets say, 10-20K, but I'd rather stay on the low end of that.

So far I see that the 96-97 2.5 DOHC and the 98-03 2.5 SOHC have head
gasket issues, until replaced properly, which should be done by the
dealer.

Any other big issues?

Not sure if I'll get a manual or an auto- I prefer manual, but if its
an auto then my wife can borrow it if need be. (that's both good, and
bad ;) )

Big dealer near me is Rapp in syracuse, they at present have an '01
outback with 25K for about 12K (sounds like a teaser to me).


Thanks for any info,

Dave
 
Thinking of making my next vehicle a used subaru AWD wagon, looking to
spend, lets say, 10-20K, but I'd rather stay on the low end of that.

That's easily doable.
So far I see that the 96-97 2.5 DOHC and the 98-03 2.5 SOHC have head
gasket issues, until replaced properly, which should be done by the
dealer.

The 96-97 2.5 DOHC has serious head gasket issues that have affected
nearly 100% of cars before they reach 120K miles, as I understand. I'd
avoid those cars, especially at the price ranges you mention since you
should be able to get a 1999 to 2001 easily within the lower end of your
price range.

The 98-2003 SOHC engines had much more minor head gasket problems that
have affected maybe 10-15% of cars before the 120K limit. It's hard to
say whether they'll affect all of those cars eventually, or might not.
I have a Forester with a 1999 SOHC engine that is showing no signs of
any problems so far, but ours has very low mileage. (Under 60K.) As
best I can tell, if you do the maintenance on schedule and put in the
radiator system additive that Subaru recommends for these engines, you
probably won't end up with expensive repairs until the engine is old
enough that they should be expected anyway.

The Outback Sport line of small station wagons/large 4-door hatchbacks
in the 1997-1999 model years had a superb 2.2 SOHC engine with no head
gasket problems, by the way. I drove a '98 OBS for several years;
despite the slightly smaller engine, they accelerate faster and respond
more quickly than the larger, Legacy-based Outbacks. I also took mine
off-road quite a bit; it can handle surprisingly bad terrain. If you
don't need all the space in a larger Outback and want to save some
money, try an OBS. You might like it.
Any other big issues?

With the Outback Sport and the Forester in the late 90s and early 2000s,
but not the Legacy-based Outbacks of those years, the rear wheel
bearings tend to fail at between 45K and 65K miles. At that time, have
the dealer or the independent shop replace not just the bearings but the
spindles with those from the Legacy Outback. I think that's what Subaru
will sell you if you ask for this part nowadays. Once the
badly-designed spindles are replaced, you'll have no further problems
with premature bearing failures.
Not sure if I'll get a manual or an auto- I prefer manual, but if its
an auto then my wife can borrow it if need be. (that's both good, and
bad ;) )

There isn't much gas mileage difference between the manual and the auto.
In addition, Subaru automatic transmissions work together with the AWD
beautifully, improving handling and traction. Unless you're a serious
rally driver or racing driver, you might want to go with the automatic.
Big dealer near me is Rapp in syracuse, they at present have an '01
outback with 25K for about 12K (sounds like a teaser to me).

Sounds like a decent deal to me, but I'd recommend checking kbb.com and
running a Carfax on it <carfax.com> before I'd even bother talking with
the dealer. Also, find a non-dealer mechanic who is experienced with
Subarus in your area, and pay him for an hour's work checking all the
main vehicle systems before you buy. Subarus are great cars that people
tend to keep. They're also AWD, and sometimes driven harder than other
cars. You want to be sure that any car you buy hasn't been abused severely.

Good luck!
 
Thinking of making my next vehicle a used subaru AWD wagon, looking to
spend, lets say, 10-20K, but I'd rather stay on the low end of that.

So far I see that the 96-97 2.5 DOHC and the 98-03 2.5 SOHC have head
gasket issues, until replaced properly, which should be done by the
dealer.

Any other big issues?

Dave......
READ READ READ here and other places. Let Google be your friend. ALL car
manufactures have lemons and we all know this.
READ about how Subaru of America will treat you...(or shit all over you)
READ all about shitty workmanship, crappy paint,rust,leaky roofs, many
design screwups and other problems that Subaru refuses
to admit or fix....There are MANY of them. It's hard to believe that Subaru
is a JAPANESE car, seems more like a Korean mess.

There are MANY better automobiles available out there.
Some swear BY them..a lot swear AT them....
 
Dave......
READ READ READ here and other places. Let Google be your friend. ALL car
manufactures have lemons and we all know this.
READ about how Subaru of America will treat you...(or shit all over you)
READ all about shitty workmanship, crappy paint,rust,leaky roofs, many
design screwups and other problems that Subaru refuses
to admit or fix....There are MANY of them. It's hard to believe that Subaru
is a JAPANESE car, seems more like a Korean mess.

There are MANY better automobiles available out there.
Some swear BY them..a lot swear AT them....


Tough to take the word of a confessed murderer.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.law-enforcement/msg/30fb5a9b13d07221

"TWICE in 10 years I have happened along single car accidents
involving DRUNKEN DRIVERS....
TWICE I have left them there to die, I did not call for help, did not
render help, I did nothing for them.
How did I know they were drunk? you can smell the booze,see the open
containers.....
A "Throw-away" is just that..... "


Judge, Jury and Executioner, eh?

Whatta guy.

Dave
 
Tough to take the word of a confessed murderer.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.law-enforcement/msg/30fb5a9b13d07221

"TWICE in 10 years I have happened along single car accidents
involving DRUNKEN DRIVERS....
TWICE I have left them there to die, I did not call for help, did not
render help, I did nothing for them.
How did I know they were drunk? you can smell the booze,see the open
containers.....
A "Throw-away" is just that..... "


Judge, Jury and Executioner, eh?

Whatta guy.

Dave
You read correctly there Dave!
VERY good. Hope you never lose a close friend or family member to a drunk
driver, you might feel the same way too dude....
 
You read correctly there Dave!
VERY good. Hope you never lose a close friend or family member to a drunk
driver, you might feel the same way too dude....


I feel very close to the same way, but would draw the line at not
acting to help someone in need at a crash (note I do not say
'accident'...)

Dave
 
Thinking of making my next vehicle a used subaru AWD wagon, looking to
spend, lets say, 10-20K, but I'd rather stay on the low end of that.

So far I see that the 96-97 2.5 DOHC and the 98-03 2.5 SOHC have head
gasket issues, until replaced properly, which should be done by the
dealer.

Any other big issues?

Not sure if I'll get a manual or an auto- I prefer manual, but if its
an auto then my wife can borrow it if need be. (that's both good, and
bad ;) )

Big dealer near me is Rapp in syracuse, they at present have an '01
outback with 25K for about 12K (sounds like a teaser to me).


Thanks for any info,

Dave
Low mileage but old; have 'em guarantee the drive train.
 
Thinking of making my next vehicle a used subaru AWD wagon, looking to
spend, lets say, 10-20K, but I'd rather stay on the low end of that.

So far I see that the 96-97 2.5 DOHC and the 98-03 2.5 SOHC have head
gasket issues, until replaced properly, which should be done by the
dealer.

Any other big issues?

Not sure if I'll get a manual or an auto- I prefer manual, but if its
an auto then my wife can borrow it if need be. (that's both good, and
bad ;) )

Big dealer near me is Rapp in syracuse, they at present have an '01
outback with 25K for about 12K (sounds like a teaser to me).

Thanks for any info,

Dave

Well, the 2.5 wasn't available in the 'regular' Impreza until 2002 -
prior to that, it was only in the RS2.5 Coupe and Sedan - no wagon.
Any pre-2002 Impreza Wagon would have the 2.2l engine, which was a
very reliable engine. In my son's previous '99 Legacy, the 2.2 was
definitely lethargic - might be better in the smaller Impreza. My
understanding is that most of the HG issues were fixed beginning with
the 2001 models - some new design.

Given where you live, I think a Subaru makes a lot of sense - decent
mileage, great foul weather traction and relatively inexpensive.

Dan D
'99 Impreza RS2.5 (son's)
Central NJ USA
 
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How is it murder? If he is certain alchohol was involved his
conscience may be clear in leaving a crash scene.
 
How is it murder? If he is certain alchohol was involved his
conscience may be clear in leaving a crash scene.


Murder is a stretch, I agree, but the premise is a solo probable
drunk, you could make the difference between his living or dying by
calling 911, and you let him die.

Not quite murder, but very close.

Dave
 
Who would know?

Murder is a stretch, I agree, but the premise is a solo probable
drunk, you could make the difference between his living or dying by
calling 911, and you let him die.

Not quite murder, but very close.

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Moral behavior can not be predicated on 'who knows'.

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You're right.If he had helped one of those guys to survive and no one
knew about it,he'd still have to live with himself for his immoral(in
his eyes) action. It's a personal thing.
 

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